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post #1 of 53 Old 02-16-2011, 10:33 AM Thread Starter
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rope halter or chain over the nose?

My new mare has been doing very well i'm just having diffecultys(sp?) getting her to back up. Tapping her with the wip doesn't affect her. I've tried the chain but it makes her more anoyed then just a normal halter. Saddly I don't have a small enough rope halter yet and I have lunged her once with a rope halter and she did good. What would you use? Is there a certain rope halter that works the best?


Also the BO came through the arena to bring the horses in and my mare totally changed. She would not stand and was having a fit that I wouldn't let her go by the BO she would take a step forward to go say hello I would back her up. Is that a sign of the BO giving her treats or is it just from the BO being the person that feeds her?

She listens to me very well but when the BO came in she totally ignored me.

She listens to me and sometimes other people but mainly me.
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post #2 of 53 Old 02-16-2011, 12:42 PM Thread Starter
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I'm also woundering would sounds better and reasonable?

355 board fee plus 200 training with indoor and come in at nights

OR

150 board plus training with out door arena and roundpen and out side board i'm probally going towards this one.

Do you beleive an indoor is needed for training or its just something nice if you can afford it?
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Having a roof over your head will not affect training in any way other than to shield you from adverse weather conditions.

Changing a headstall, adding a nose chain, using a whip will not magically make a horse back up for you. YOU are the only training tool that is completely necessary.

I hope you have someone to help you.

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post #4 of 53 Old 02-16-2011, 01:29 PM
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Amen, Sarah. Excellent post.

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post #5 of 53 Old 02-16-2011, 01:36 PM
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Personally I wouldn't use a chain, a lot of damage/pain can be caused with a chain. I use a training rope halter, it has knots at the poll and the bridge of the nose. It has a bit more "bite" than a regular rope halter but isn't TOO strong. There are a few different ways I've used to teach a horse to back, they all learn differently and it pays to have a few tricks up your sleeve,lol. A) Shake the lead rope while saying "back" and moving toward them confidently;often they are spooked in the beginning by the shaking lead and react by backing up anyway, by doing this you build on their instinctual reaction and associate it with a verbal or hand cue depending on your preference. B)Shake the lead and STOMP toward them while giving verbal cue if they don't respond to A;this almost always works for me. Same premise as A, just gives you a stronger, more dominant body language. C)Shake the lead while slowly swinging a "carrot stick" in front of your body and walking toward them. Mine is about 3.5 to 4 ft long, if they don't back up the stick bumps them in the chest and shoulder and they tend to not like it. I have seen another method(not crazy about it, to me it seems like it would make them headshy). Use the carrot stick to hit the lead rope/clasp just below where it clips onto the halter. The noise and swinging the stick at their head definitely gets them to move, but as I said I just don't like this method.

The BO doesn't necessarily have to be feeding treats for your horse to like her, maybe it's because she's the main one to feed or she scratches just the right spot.

As far as the arena I would say it's more preference than anything. Personally an indoor would be nice if only because the weather here in Indy is rather unpleasant in the winter.
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I find a rope halter works well for a horse that wont respond as well or promptly. Nylon halters tend to give the horse something to lean on.

I prefer outdoor arenas because the horse sees more than just walls everyday! At least when there working in an outdoor they get exposed to more - rain, wind, people, noises, etc....

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also the BO came through the arena to bring the horses in and my mare totally changed. She would not stand and was having a fit that I wouldn't let her go by the BO she would take a step forward to go say hello I would back her up. Is that a sign of the BO giving her treats or is it just from the BO being the person that feeds her?

Horse's are most comfortable with the person THEY feel is their leader. It looks like your horse has made her choice.......you may be the owner but by putting a chain on a horse just to teach it to back up you've shown her your not much of a leader.
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Having a roof over your head will not affect training in any way other than to shield you from adverse weather conditions.

Changing a headstall, adding a nose chain, using a whip will not magically make a horse back up for you. YOU are the only training tool that is completely necessary.

I hope you have someone to help you.
Sarah-I agree, EXCEPT that in Wisconsin, where OP is, this time of year, indoor offers consistent training, since it is not weather dependent. Does the indoor place have nowhere to work outside on nice days? If it does, I would go with that. Otherwise you are spending your training $$ for training that may not happen if it rains, snows, mud, ice, etc.

Misty-is this the same mare you have been having issues with?
If it is, this mare has been an issue and will continue to be until you learn how to listen to people, get a trainer and put on your big girl panties and become her leader. A rope halter is best, IMO. Chains are not, but neither will help you if you if you don't know how to use them. Think of it sort of like a bit. Stronger is not the answer. The hands that use it are.

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^^Nope, she got rid of that mare and traded it for a new one. This one.

Noted on the roof situation. Still I think there may be bigger issues than civil engineering may be able to solve.

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Oh dear. Agreed Sarah!
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