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    10-07-2012, 01:23 PM
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Rope halters are a really good training tool if the person using it knows what they are doing with it, but they can be used as just a general halter for every day use, depending on their construction and the type of rope they are made with. Personally, I like them because I can whip one up with about 6 meters of rope in about 15 minutes and don’t need to spend a bunch of money on it. As for the brand name ones, I think it's all bulls@*%, Parelli didn’t invent them, neither did Clinton Anderson, people have been using them for who knows how long.
I don't have a rope halter that has cost me over 10 bucks lol. I think those name brand ones are a money making scheme. Anyways if you do get a rope halter get one that looks sturdy at your local tack store look up how to fit it and tie it properly! If you use it correctly they are a wonderful tool to have.
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    10-07-2012, 01:28 PM
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Yearling
Yep, its down right criminal how much some people are charging for rope halters, I heard somewhere that the Clinton Anderson version costs over 40 bucks, unbelievable.
     
    10-07-2012, 01:38 PM
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Yep, its down right criminal how much some people are charging for rope halters, I heard somewhere that the Clinton Anderson version costs over 40 bucks, unbelievable.
Yeah I've seen them its absolutely ridiculous! I just bought one the other day for $6.99 at atwoods and I'm teaching myself how to make them at the moment . Rope halters have helped me so much I have a mare that they used to put nylon halter with a chain on her nose to make her mind I retrained her in a rope halter now she doesn't pull or rear up anymore. I HATE chains personally all it did was hurt her she didn't really learn anything. She learned respect for the halter and that it doesn't necessarily mean pain. Pressure then release that is the way they learn.
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    10-07-2012, 01:53 PM
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Yearling
Oh yeah, they can be a good bit of gear, but like most stuff, depends on how they are used. Another thing I might add to is that if you get one made out of something like starter cord (the recommended stuff for the Parelli training) they last forever, I've had mine for 18 years.
     
    10-07-2012, 01:58 PM
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Oh yeah, they can be a good bit of gear, but like most stuff, depends on how they are used. Another thing I might add to is that if you get one made out of something like starter cord (the recommended stuff for the Parelli training) they last forever, I've had mine for 18 years.
Oh thank you for the tip I was wondering what would be best as far as cord goes so I appreciate that!!! And agreed anything can be used incorrectly I'm sure when I first started out I didn't use it completely right either. But now that I've been using them for years and done lots of studying plus what I've learned myself I love them!
     
    10-07-2012, 02:12 PM
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Yearling
About 8th to ¼ inch nylon starter cord is good (¼ inch is probably the better choice), but keep in mind that it does bite in if you go yanking on it, that's kind of the point, but part of the point is to learn to uses that aspect of them as the end of a force continuum that starts off as gentile as possible and only gets “bitey” if need be, and when I make one I try to make it fit the horse as best I can and not make it so it rubs/wears on them. And hell, none of us ever start off knowing how to do things. The only thing that has saved me in my history training horses has been that many of the horses I have trained have been more forgiving and easy going that I maybe deserved, I've never been mean with them, just a bit stupid and ignorant, and probably a tadd too enthusiastic, sometimes. I guess the important thing is to try to constantly learn and improve what we are doing.
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    10-07-2012, 02:20 PM
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About 8th to ¼ inch nylon starter cord is good (¼ inch is probably the better choice), but keep in mind that it does bite in if you go yanking on it, that's kind of the point, but part of the point is to learn to uses that aspect of them as the end of a force continuum that starts off as gentile as possible and only gets “bitey” if need be, and when I make one I try to make it fit the horse as best I can and not make it so it rubs/wears on them. And hell, none of us ever start off knowing how to do things. The only thing that has saved me in my history training horses has been that many of the horses I have trained have been more forgiving and easy going that I maybe deserved, I've never been mean with them, just a bit stupid and ignorant, and probably a tadd too enthusiastic, sometimes. I guess the important thing is to try to constantly learn and improve what we are doing.
Thanks for the tip and I completely agree with you. You and I think a like.
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    10-07-2012, 02:43 PM
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I don't know how we ever managed to have mannerly horses when all we had was a flat leather halter. The first I ever saw a chain used was the qh people in a halter class. I thought this was generally reserved for stallions, not mares and geldings.
     
    10-07-2012, 04:01 PM
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I am not a fan of rope halters. I have a horse that is really pissy/angry in a rope halter. Her first trainer used one and whatever the did was really inappropriate because this mare pins her ears and gets hostile in a rope halter. She is fine in a flat halter. I think in the end a rope halter is only as good as the person putting it on. A lot of people seem to think it will fix all the behavior problems a horse has. I don't think that's true. I see a lot of folks putting them on wrong (they tie the knot so it pokes the horse in the eye). They are a harder halter then a flat halter and in my opinion less likely to break in an emergency. I also find them harder to fit to horses. A lot of people have these poorly fitted rope halters on horses and then it does not do much except annoy me. You can't put a chain over the nose or lip with them which is the main form of restraint I need to do in a day. I also think its easy as heck to make and people get scammed into spending 30 bucks on something they could make at home for about 5.
First-Dancing Arabian-I do occassionally use a regular halter, especially to tie or trailer, but-keep in mind, that even on a "break day" if you have a piss ant like I do-he WILL try you. Guaranteed. And also remember that anytime you handle your horse it is learning something. So, technically there is no such thing as "break day".

Rookie-First, they will NOT, as stated, break in an emergency. That is why many of us will not tie or trailer in one. Secondly, it is pretty difficult for one to be "poorly fitted". Put on wrong-ie too loose, to tight-but they are pretty adjustable. Lastly, if you know how to use one properly, and have an appropriate lead, you should not need a chain on the lip, etc. Have no need for any of my leads with chains anymore-in act-got rid of all of them, and my horses are much easier to handle, and I do not have to fight with them. THey actually learn in a rope halter. A chain is simple a restraint. No need to restrain if they actually learn manners. JMHO.
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    10-07-2012, 04:47 PM
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First-Dancing Arabian-I do occassionally use a regular halter, especially to tie or trailer, but-keep in mind, that even on a "break day" if you have a piss ant like I do-he WILL try you. Guaranteed. And also remember that anytime you handle your horse it is learning something. So, technically there is no such thing as "break day".
I didn't say or mean that everyone used a rope halter for all occasions on every horse, sheesh. Of COURSE there are exceptions and instances where one is better over the other. When MY HORSE is working, he's in a rope halter. When he's in a trailer or on a "break day", he's in a flat halter.

I'm very aware that every time I handle my horse he is learning something. I never said nor implied that a "break day" means he can do whatever he wants. I said that there's no training involved, as in, I'm not making demands of him. I'm not asking him to bend this way, or lift his back or stop doing a giraffe impression. All he has to do is have good manners - bad manners are corrected immediately, break day or not. I do consider it a "break day" when the only expectation I have of him is to have good manners. My horse will certainly try to test me on occasion, in very small ways, and they are all corrected immediately - regardless of day.
     

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