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    10-07-2012, 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
I didn't say or mean that everyone used a rope halter for all occasions on every horse, sheesh. Of COURSE there are exceptions and instances where one is better over the other. When MY HORSE is working, he's in a rope halter. When he's in a trailer or on a "break day", he's in a flat halter.

I'm very aware that every time I handle my horse he is learning something. I never said nor implied that a "break day" means he can do whatever he wants. I said that there's no training involved, as in, I'm not making demands of him. I'm not asking him to bend this way, or lift his back or stop doing a giraffe impression. All he has to do is have good manners - bad manners are corrected immediately, break day or not. I do consider it a "break day" when the only expectation I have of him is to have good manners. My horse will certainly try to test me on occasion, in very small ways, and they are all corrected immediately - regardless of day.
Any horse can need correction any time-even YOUR HORSE. Just because you are not actively training him does not mean that he won't have a brain fart and act stupid and get into your space (as an example). If you have him in a flat halter, it may be more difficult to correct. That is all I am saying. I am not accusing you of not correcting YOUR HORSE. I know if I am in a hurry and grab the first halter I come to (a flat one) and go out and get my guy he will try to eat at least 5x on the way into the barn. If I have the rope on him-once-maybe twice (he is a piss ant)corrected-and we are done. But then-I have one who will take every inch he is given, so I am super aware of it.
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    10-07-2012, 08:08 PM
Lets just simmer down now I think you jumped the gun on accusations there.
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    10-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
Lets just simmer down now I think you jumped the gun on accusations there.
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What? If you are referring to me, just FYI-I only used CAPS because she did. Not sure why, but she has her panties all in a bunch. I made no, we have mods who have stars by their names...... Thanks tho.

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    10-07-2012, 09:57 PM
Lol whatever. For starters you're the one that picked at people and went off topic and I'm not going waste my time and argue with you, you seem to be the type that must be right so congratulations I hope it makes you feel better. I'm so sorry to the OP that your question is being interrupted by nit picking.
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    10-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Rope halters are great. If your horse is very strong, it is a good consideration since all horses, trained or not, have their moments.
    10-07-2012, 10:24 PM
Hi Franknbeans
I agree a well trained horse should not need a chain. Then again a well trained horse should do well in mild restraint (ie a flat halter). I know they are adjustable but I have seen a lot of them poorly fitted and poorly used. I am not saying they don't have a place. I am saying I see a lot of people call the vet out for vaccines. When we arrive they are chasing the dam horse around with this rope halter trying to catch it. When the owner does catch the horse they don't know how to tie the halter on. Meanwhile the horse, is a total snot. I end up running to run to the truck for the twitch or tranq. We can't chain their nose or lip because you can't fit it. In the space of the appointment I don't have time (or the ego) to "fix" their horses unasked. I just see a lot of poorly behaved horses and their owners using rope halters. As a result, from what I have seen I am not the biggest fan of rope halters. Its not the law its just my opinion.

Heck the farrier has a huge heavy halter. Its actually really cool for snotty horses, its got a metal loop for the noseband. He puts that on the snotty horses and shakes it on the nose. They snap right into line. Its great, it weighs about 15 pounds, but I would not use it on a horse that does not need it.

In the end, rope halters are a polarizing one. I think the original poster should do what she feels works for her and her horse. I don't think you should buy a product because someone else told you its the best thing ever. You should buy a product because you think can help or benefit you and your horse in some way.
    10-07-2012, 10:39 PM
As I've stated earlier in the thread, I love rope halters (but also have a flat halter for tying because I've seen horses with permanent scarring around the poll area from pulling back in a rope halter). But I think I know what rookie is talking about too. However, those horses are badly trained not because of the rope halter but because the people who own them have no idea what they're doing. The reason why they have a rope halter is because some DVD or website told them that was the thing to buy (I'm not against NH per se, but there are a lot of very ignorant owners incorrectly practicing it out there, and most of them have rope halters).

I don't think it is necessarily wrong to only use flat halters on your horse but I know that if I were asked to deal with an unknown horse (especially in a training situation) there is no way I'd agree to do it without a rope halter as I wouldn't know what kind of resistance to pressure I was going to meet. The last thing anyone wants when trying to train a horse is to find out it doesn't react to the pressure of a flat halter when that is the only option - all that will do is result in a bunch of disrespect and the horse not learning anything good.
    10-07-2012, 10:40 PM
Agree rookie-understand what you have to deal with...all of those who watch a video and think they know how to wiggle a rope.

Anyway, with respect to the OP, I agree she should do what she wants, BUT, when you pay a trainer, one of the things you pay them for is their opinion. If you are already questioning the first thing the suggest, perhaps they need to reevaluate the choice of trainer.
    10-07-2012, 11:07 PM
Yeah I agree you definitely can't just put a rope on every type of horse. For some horses who don't know how to work off pressure it could be dangerous if you tied one definitely, that's why I work with young horses for awhile before trying to tie with one. As previously stated some horses have broken their necks because rope halted usually won't break. I say try it out and if its not for you go back to what your more comfortable with. Like I said I love them they are great when used properly.
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    10-08-2012, 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Agree rookie-understand what you have to deal with...all of those who watch a video and think they know how to wiggle a rope.

Anyway, with respect to the OP, I agree she should do what she wants, BUT, when you pay a trainer, one of the things you pay them for is their opinion. If you are already questioning the first thing the suggest, perhaps they need to reevaluate the choice of trainer.
My original thought was which is better. There have been many helpful answers. But when my horse blows up the first time with the trainer and yes maybe she ( the horse ) was being somewhat non-compliant, I have to question is it the halter or a heavy handed trainer. Dixie has very good ground manors for the most part. She will nudge, but easily corrected, stop to graze, once, but a good yank on the flat halter and a firm NO gets her head back in the game. The trainer will be here again this Thursday and will see how sesion 2 goes. Like I said in the beginning, I am looking for a trainer to train me. I will use my flat halter on her until I see it make a difference in THIS HORSE's demeanor. Thanks Again for the lively fun discussion. Oh check out my gender .....LOL

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