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        11-28-2009, 09:51 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
    Lol this reminds me. I ordered 3 rope halters and the sent me 1 horse size 1 mini and 1 pony. The mini one is the cutest thing I've seen : ). I use rope halters. My mare leads better with it on. With a normal halter she'll stand there and plant her hooves (which she is becoming famous for). Rope halter, one tug and she walks.

    And I agree with themacpak.
         
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        11-29-2009, 07:20 AM
      #12
    Foal
    Always told never to use a rope halter if it didnt have a wide band of soft woven cotton on the front to stop it being too harse, and also always to knot it , where it becomes a lead rope, so fixing it so it never tightens around the horses nose. So, i'm afraid that I do think they are not kind, as they put too much pressure onto the bone and viening and nerves. But I suppose they are marginally kinder than a chain.
         
        11-29-2009, 09:24 AM
      #13
    Started
    I follow NH in a pretty generic way, and I do use a rope halter on Scout when I lunge him (CA - style Lunging for Respect). He gets heavy in his face on the circle, and sometimes gets excited and tries to make the circle bigger. With the rope halter I can give a quick, gentle bump and not be hauled aroung the perimeter of the arena. My sister accomplishes the same thing with a nylon strap halter and a stud chain. The reason for my preference of the rope? I don't have to move the chain to change directions. Eventually, I will wean him onto a "normal" halter, for sheer practicality (I use a leather strap or nylon web halter for every other aspect of horse handling, save riding).

    I definitely see where the author of the article is coming from, and it definitely gives food for thought. I see the rope halter kind of like the double bridle: it offers clarity and definiteness to cues, allowing the handler to give "whisper cues." Nothing good or bad about it inherently, but like so many training tools, it is best not in the hands of a complete idiot.

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    Originally Posted by themacpack    
    ANY item, improperly used, can be a problem item. Used properly, rope halters are no more OR less dangerous than any other.
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        11-29-2009, 09:34 PM
      #14
    Showing
    I absolutely hate rope halters. They DO burn. I was stupid enough to tie my horse with one, she spooked, and started to fight. Took me less then a minute to free her, but she burned her nose and sides to blood in no time so I couldn't put any halter on for while (and that was the "milder" rope halter, without the knots on noseband). Will NEVER use again! I rather make her work to control then use the rope halter.
         
        11-29-2009, 09:46 PM
      #15
    Trained
    If my horse fights so hard that it gets rope burns from the halter then it will probably learn something from it and not fight the next time. The reason that nylon or leather halters don't cause rope burns or other things on a horses face when the horse pulls back is because they break before they have a chance. I have never seen a horse break a rope halter. It is the only kind of halter that I have and I see no reason not to use them to trailer with. Just like curb bits, whips, spurs and other tools any halter can cause harm if not used properly.
         
        11-29-2009, 10:07 PM
      #16
    Trained
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    I absolutely hate rope halters. They DO burn. I was stupid enough to tie my horse with one, she spooked, and started to fight. Took me less then a minute to free her, but she burned her nose and sides to blood in no time so I couldn't put any halter on for while (and that was the "milder" rope halter, without the knots on noseband). Will NEVER use again! I rather make her work to control then use the rope halter.
    My pony was tied in a rope halter and wrapped himself around a light pole - It cut into his head and had to be cut off him.

    I still use rope halters on all my other horses.

    Honestly, it is my horses fault for not giving to pressure and fixing the situation. Sure, it was horrible, but accidents happen. Horses get hung up and die in nylon.leather halters - maybe you shouldn't use a halter at all?
         
        11-29-2009, 10:17 PM
      #17
    Started
    It's all about preparation. If we can prepare the horse and teach him to give to pressure before he is ever tied, and we can teach him not to be claustrophobic, then pulling back will never be an issue.
         
        11-30-2009, 01:52 AM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    The only time I don't use a rope halter is when I trailer, in which case I'll use a leather halter. Regular halters are like big pillows on the horse's head and can actually teach the horse to lean on you. Sure you could put a chain on them, but that's getting stronger and harder, not smarter, plus it just hurts. It's forceful.

    With rope halters (good quality ones) the horse can feel the slightest thing so the person ends up doing less. It's much more clear in regards to communication. So no, I don't think rope halters (except for the ones that are stiff and have 4 knots on the noseband) in and of themselves are harsh. ANY tool can be cruel in the wrong hands of course, but I won't use anything other than a rope halter :)
    I agree with this statement. I use rope halters almost extensively through out initial training stages, including riding introductions. Most horses work well in them, and I have no trouble going back and forth between a flat style halter, and the rope halter. I don't tie a horse to any solid rail in a rope halter. If they are tied with one on, it's a ground tie, or a simple looped lead rope over a railing (which, obviously a horse could 'get out' of in the event of a scarey incident).

    I will only use a stud chain as a last resort, as I personally believe these are way harsher than any rope halter could ever be (just think about the way a stud chain actually works; there is no real release, and the tugs can do a lot more nerve damage, especially if the horse panics, or flips his head to evade the pressure).
         
        11-30-2009, 01:55 AM
      #19
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lillie    
    always told never to use a rope halter if it didnt have a wide band of soft woven cotton on the front to stop it being too harse, and also always to knot it , where it becomes a lead rope, so fixing it so it never tightens around the horses nose. So, i'm afraid that I do think they are not kind, as they put too much pressure onto the bone and viening and nerves. But I suppose they are marginally kinder than a chain.
    You may be thinking about some other style halter; perhaps Monty Robert's training halter? Rope halters DO NOT tighten around the nose...
         
        11-30-2009, 02:13 AM
      #20
    Started
    Rope halters are made to work on certain pressure points, so that less force is needed. If you are a jerky/snatchy person, yes you can cause severe pain to your horse's face. I personally prefer them over a chain over the nose.
         

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