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        06-03-2008, 10:36 PM
      #21
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps
    ooh ok I'll try that

    Did you think he was rounding his back at all, JDI, in the video? Also is that he's doing now (in the video)...will that help his topline? Not sure if you meant what you just suggested on getting him off his forehand would help his topline of it what I was doing with him in the video would
    He was working on the vertical in the second and last video. I didn't see him really working through his back, which is where engaging the hindquarters comes into play.
    It is very important to building topline.
         
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        06-03-2008, 10:47 PM
      #22
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    So you don't think there was really any collection at all today? :( hehe
         
        06-03-2008, 10:49 PM
      #23
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps
    so you don't think there was really any collection at all today? :( hehe
    Collection stems from the horse being wound like a spring; they have to work off the hind end to accomplish this. So, I'm sorry, I just saw a horse on the vertical that was trotting/jogging slowly, he wasn't truely collected. Remember that there is a major difference between headset and collection, they are not one and the same.

    Edited to add:
    These things will come with proper training. He's looking good, and you should keep up the good work! You'll get there eventually - these things don't happen overnight.
         
        06-04-2008, 09:21 AM
      #24
    Banned
    JDI...can you tell if there was any collection in these two videos of him? I've been watching the two videos that the lady made of him trying to see if she would just work him off the vertical or actually get him to round.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrXDA5hnTXo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoV7p6ivRVE
    (only about 1 minute of the last video would be of him actually "rounding" his back if he was...the other parts was of my riding him when I had my lesson on him)

    I'm thinking that she trained him only to go on the vertical as collection and that most of his "topline" was fat and not actually muscle. If that be the case then maybe he doesn't even know how to push himself from his hind end and round his back.

    I will try some stopping, backing and then asking immediately for a trot or canter.
    Would it be best to use a crop for this? Or try without it? Usually he's pretty good about picking it up, but he's been moody because of the weather haha (can't say I haven't either...I don't like hot weather hehe).

    Thanks JDI your awesome
         
        06-04-2008, 11:56 AM
      #25
    Started
    I didn't read through all the comments, but impulsion, impulsion, impulsion! Right now, you have no energy to collect, as it were. I'm sure this has already been mentioned.
         
        06-04-2008, 11:57 AM
      #26
    Banned
    Yep I know he should have been going a bit faster, but it was a hot day, we just finished a trail ride and he was blowing. I dind't want to push him too much. EIther Thursday or Tuesday I'll get another video and do it right when I get on him...that way he'll have energy
         
        06-04-2008, 08:00 PM
      #27
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    Yes, like Sara said, you have to create a feeling of energy which you "bottle up" through collection, then can use it to do upper level movements or do a marvelous extension from. You should feel the horse coil up underneath of you, ready to bounce into action at any point.
    Hope this helps!!
    More videos are always good :)
         
        06-04-2008, 08:36 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Try working on this stuff when your both fresher. A short trail after would be better to help you both relax down. This stuf is hard wotk and you really need to concentrate:)
         
        06-04-2008, 09:42 PM
      #29
    Banned
    I will work on getting impulsion tomorrow and will do it right after he gets his mash so he's on a "grain" high hehe
    I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow
         
        06-05-2008, 03:38 AM
      #30
    Yearling
    1. He needs about 100 pounds. Feed him, hehe.
    2. He is not collected at all... he is just working off of the face. His back didn't move... Look at the clips where you change to neck reining--see how he just sticks his neck and nose in the air? This is what is causing the bad topline; riding him in that manner. If he sticks is nose out, he's not carrying you at all. But mainly, look at his back when you fix his head--there is no change in his back at all.
    3. There is absolutely no impulsion. Yes he was tired, but slow and right is harder then impulsion and right! Which means... you were going 'slow and wrong' :(
    4. He looks like a whole different horse in his older videos. He is more rounded because he has much more impulsion! You need to ride him at that kind of gait for a while... but don't be surprised if he can't handle it for long--he needs more weight.
    5. Please consider getting his feet checked... he moves so much better in his old videos and I think part of it is because his hoof angles look so off.
    6. We are all saying 'work through the bit!' So when you are pushing him forwards, with impulsion, think of wanting him to reach down into that bit, with all of his energy going in the direction of travel--so you don't want to stop that energy by creating a 'wall' with your hands! Be soft and inviting.

    Remember, collection doesn't come in a day. We don't get out our horses and think, "I want to get him to collect--there he goes! Perfect!" It is an on-going battle, something were your horse gets better and better. You're not going to ride him one day and just get him to magically lift his back because you move your hands differently--it takes muscle, and he physically just can't do it, he's not strong enough. So each day you work on lateral work and long and low and play in the gaits... and he will eventually get to a point where he can go, 'hey... I can carry her!' There are levels of collection, it is not a definite thing.
         

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