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    06-05-2008, 10:17 AM
Originally Posted by mayfieldk
1. He needs about 100 pounds. Feed him, hehe.
2. He is not collected at all... he is just working off of the face. His back didn't move... Look at the clips where you change to neck reining--see how he just sticks his neck and nose in the air? This is what is causing the bad topline; riding him in that manner. If he sticks is nose out, he's not carrying you at all. But mainly, look at his back when you fix his head--there is no change in his back at all.
3. There is absolutely no impulsion. Yes he was tired, but slow and right is harder then impulsion and right! Which means... you were going 'slow and wrong' :(
4. He looks like a whole different horse in his older videos. He is more rounded because he has much more impulsion! You need to ride him at that kind of gait for a while... but don't be surprised if he can't handle it for long--he needs more weight.
5. Please consider getting his feet checked... he moves so much better in his old videos and I think part of it is because his hoof angles look so off.
6. We are all saying 'work through the bit!' So when you are pushing him forwards, with impulsion, think of wanting him to reach down into that bit, with all of his energy going in the direction of travel--so you don't want to stop that energy by creating a 'wall' with your hands! Be soft and inviting.

Remember, collection doesn't come in a day. We don't get out our horses and think, "I want to get him to collect--there he goes! Perfect!" It is an on-going battle, something were your horse gets better and better. You're not going to ride him one day and just get him to magically lift his back because you move your hands differently--it takes muscle, and he physically just can't do it, he's not strong enough. So each day you work on lateral work and long and low and play in the gaits... and he will eventually get to a point where he can go, 'hey... I can carry her!' There are levels of collection, it is not a definite thing.
1) yes I know...I thought everyone knew I was working on that :roll: guess not....100 pounds can't just be added overnight if it is then colic would probably follow that. I've upped his intake giving him 14% sweet feed, beet pulp and rice bran every morning...he'll gain it when he does...if he doesn't gain more in 1 week then I'll up his grain some more

2) yes I know...that's what JDI has been's kinda hard to tell in saddle how his back is...if it's rounded a little bit or none at all...that's why I posted the videos. Also I did the neck reining one so, if he was rounding his back, you all could see a difference...that's why

3) HE choose the pace of the gait...all I asked him for was the trot...he's a western horse...trained in western pleasure...slow is natural for him

4) Again, yes I know he needs more fat on him and like I said before I'm working on it

5) The old arena in those videos wasn't that deep where as it is in the arena I ride him in now. In those videos he was due for a trim...he had long heels...and a crack in the one foot. He sees the farrier every 6 weeks and IMO the farrier is doing a good job on his feet. Sonny has never been lame since I got him, never chipped a hoof or cracked it...can walk/trot/canter on gravel without sensitivity or lameness afterwards

6) Sonny does NOT reach his neck down or anything like that of a western pleasure horse or a HUS horse. And if I let him have his head whether in a walk, trot, or canter his nose goes up. I hardly ever ride him like that (with his nose up in the air) because #1 I KNOW it's bad for his topline and also he seems to daydream more when he has his head

I know it's not a one day thing, but I thought since the old person who rode him kept her hands down low and had him get such a nice topline that that might cause him to round, etc.
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    06-05-2008, 11:05 AM
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6) Sonny does NOT reach his neck down or anything like that of a western pleasure horse or a HUS horse. And if I let him have his head whether in a walk, trot, or canter his nose goes up. I hardly ever ride him like that (with his nose up in the air) because #1 I KNOW it's bad for his topline and also he seems to daydream more when he has his head
This is something to work on then. Getting a horse to stretch downward is good - and teaching them to do that, in my opinion, is a very important step in training a horse. You'll notice in Dressage tests (especially the lower ones) there is a lot of "circle 20m on a stretch" - this means the horse will stretch downwards and forwards with his neck into the rein contact. When you ask a horse to stretch, don't throw the contact away, make the horse take the bit and gently stretch into your contact. Also, the horse should not lose hindquarter impulsion while doing so.
In my opinion, a horse should stretch its head down when contact is released, rather than pop their heads up in the air; again, it's something to work on.
    06-05-2008, 11:38 AM
Yes I know it's something to work on...but I think at the moment just working on him actually collected would be best...I do lots of stretching excersizes before I do anything...I'll do circles, neck stretches, warm him up...put down some ground poles and have him walk and trot over them to get the leg muscles stretched out and also I'll back him up so he flexes his back and then I start on collecting.

Ocasionally he'll stretch his neck down far...but only at a walk..the minute I ask for something faster the head goes immediately up
    06-05-2008, 11:45 AM
Headset, collection, and stretching are all related.
    06-05-2008, 06:56 PM
Well I did some stop, back up, then trot/canter work and though I had no one to film it seemed like he was rounding a bit (but then again I did say that before).
I kept him at a good fast paced trot and would get his head on the vertical...then try to see if he's stretch his neck down...if he didn't I'd try it again.

So I guess it's a start...maybe hehe

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