Sigh. No, a whip does not "train" a horse, but it can be a very effective tool for reinforcing your aids, or as punishment
iride never said it's used to train horses, she said it's used to re-enforce cues...it should NEVER be used as punishment, ever.
but this person says her groundwork is pretty solid. if that is so, then this horse has some learned behavior that needs to be corrected
If her horse still has a bad behavious her groundwork is NOT solid.
Not all of us have 2-3 hours a day, 7 days a week to "train" our horse
It's not a "do this everyday for 4 hours" groundwork....it's a simple working with the horse on the ground before riding, or using the groundwork instead of riding for a day. I definately would not work a horse 2-3 hours a day 7 days a week even with groundwork.
Hence why they aren't so easily injured with they kick or bite at each other.
Horses in the wild know where to aim...yes they don't always hit where they want to, but that's because the other horse moves. THey know the strong parts, and what parts of weak.
. None of my horses are head shy, whip shy, or otherwise "shy". They nicker with they see me, meet me at the gate, and seem to enjoy our time together, in and out of the saddle.
Whether your horses are shy of you or not does not mean that your methods of training are right. If you honestly think that beating a horse with a whip because they did something wrong is correct then I fell totally sorry for your horse and hope that you can see how cruel that is. Yes I'm a Parelli fan, but even when I wasn't I would NEVER EVER
hit a horse with a whip because he was doing something wrong.
Horses are NOT a partnership, not 100%
Maybe you don't picture your horse as a partner, I didn't either if you would have told me that 3 months ago....I was into traditional riding (minus the beating with a whip), and I could see how unhappy my horse was. My horse would NEVER relax, he's ALWAYS spook (ask any one of the girls that I used to ride with) and he would fight back when I asked him to do something. When I estabilished him as my partner not only did he relax, but he wasn't spooky, and he'd listen.
Horses, just like people and other animals, need LEADERSHIP
Yes horses need leadership, but they need partnership, love, affection, and friendship. What makes a good leader? One that listens, understands the follower(s), and compromizes so each "wins".
but with you in a superior role
Yes you do have the superior command.....never said we didn't
A true partnership ends up with the human at the bottom of the pecking order, unless you're lucky enough to have a horse that doesn't want the leader role (or is just too stupid or lazy to take it).
I have a partnership with my horse, and I'm not at the bottom of the pecking order. He respects my wishes and listens....but he knows that if he can't physically do something I ask him to do I'll compromise with him so he can do what I ask at an easier level.
should not be mistreated
Glad you believe that...but how can you believe that but still suggest to whack a horse with a whip?!
A horse cannot reason or understand like a human
Don't underestimate a horse
Second, how do earn your horse's respect if you're not willing to "act like a horse"?
I never said I didn't know how to "act like a horse". But you don't just go up and hit them because they don't do what you ask. You should respect your horse. I mean honestly...they ARE 1000 lbs (usually) and if they get really upset at you they could kill you with one blow...and there is NOTHING
stopping them from doing that. If you treat them as respect they'll respect you and want to do everything you ask them to do...why? Because they know you won't hurt them if they don't understand, can't do something, or you are doing the wrong but not realizing it.
Sorry but hitting a horse with a whip will NEVER fall in my "right" folder.
Also, would you slap your daughter when you asked her to do something but she didn't stop, because she didn't understand? Would you hit and punish your horse because he didn't understand what you asked of him? Yes some horses get bored and lazy, but that's becaue they need motivation...and the rider is not giving them any motivation.
I only get physical with my horses when they physically endanger me. When my mare came within inches of kicking me in the face, you bet she got beat with the whip
DId you even stop to see why she kicked "at you"? Why she was acting like that? What her reason was? Did you ever stop to see if maybe you were acting like a predator? That YOU (yes you) asked for it? That YOU did something wrong that made her do that?
Yes, my horse has slammed me up against a wall when he started getting frighened in a stall (because someone was up in the hay loft right above him), but I did not beat him because he put my life in danger. I SAW/heard the reason why he slammed me up against the wall, he wasn't trying to hurt me, he was frightned. Horses are prey animals, and will do anything they can to get away from what frightens them. Just like a kid will tune out a parent if they continue to yell at them, a horse will tune out his owner when he gets frightened. I did not hit him to move, I asked him the same as I would if I was just standing next to him (and not wedged againt the side of the wall), when he didn't respond, I put more pressure until he did move. Once I got out, I praised him for tuning back into me and moving.
Biting, Kicking, Rearing, Bucking, depending on the circumstance all get punished.
But as I've said before....a horse HAS a reason for doing this and they don't just say "hey well there's my mom...I think I'm going to bite her arm off today".
am all for NH. I have attended several demonstrations, we have a nice wooden round pen, and I use it. But, there are times when a roundpen isn't all that handy. Like out on the trail. Besides the fact that you have 3 seconds to "discipline" a horse. By the time you get to a roundpen they don't know what they did "wrong" I do believe that many things can be corrected with groundwork, but sometimes you don't have time for that.
A roundpen is NOT for discipline and neither should groundwork be used as punishment.
Back on the real topic: try a one-rein stop. My horse wouldn't do quick stops to save his life, but when I asked him for a quick stop with a one-rein stop, he did it perfectly (so perfectly I flew off his back lol). A one-rein stop will dis-engage her hind-quarters and make her stop[/quote]