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post #1 of 8 Old 02-24-2009, 02:44 PM Thread Starter
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Running through his shoulder

I am training my 3 yr old under saddle at the moment. He is about half a month into his training. I do have help as I need it as well, it's just not consistent help. The other day we were doing some circles at walk/trot and it was getting close to feed time. Well as we went a little past dinner time he started to get very antsy and continued to push to the gait. As we would go around the circle, he would ignore my aids and keep pushing until I made him stop. Eventually I was able to keep him working until I got a couple nice circles but it seems that even though he got past it that day, he is still trying to pull it again. What can I do to fix this "food driven" attitude. I know he is still young and don't expect a quick fix, but can't have him completely ignoring me.
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I am assuming that what you mean is that you are cueing him to turn lets say to the right and he is bent that way but continues to travel either straight or to the left, correct? That is a fairly common thing for young horses. With time, he will outgrow it. Something that may help is doing smaller circles where you have constant pressure on him. Like you said, there really isn't any quick fix, he just really hasn't learned to follow his nose and your cues yet. It will come in time, don't get discouraged. Just keep working him and don't get discouraged. One thing that I like to do is when they start going through my cues, I do a one rein stop on the side that they are ignoring. Several times of that will help too. As for the food oriented behavior, with some horses, there is no remedy for that. My gray mustang will take a bite of anything out on the trail that is tall enough to reach without putting his head completely down. I have tried everything to break him of this but 4 years later and still no luck. Yours, I think may just be because he is young. Good luck!!
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Thanks so much!! that makes me feel much better. And yes that's what he was doing. I'll try the small circles. I am also going to have a groundwork day again, we haven't done that in couple weeks since he's been under saddle.
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As far as his 'food driven' issue - give him a bit of a break! He's just learning how to be a 'horse'. His attention span and cooperation will improve as he gets older and more experienced.
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ya that's true. i guess I forget that part too. i have so many people telling me that he needs to NOT do those things, so I have been trying to fix the problems at the time they happen
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As far as his 'food driven' issue - give him a bit of a break! He's just learning how to be a 'horse'. His attention span and cooperation will improve as he gets older and more experienced.
I agree however if he starts doing this well before the end of the session and should be listening to you, then you have two possibilities.

1) To counter act the "bulge" shorten the outside rein and cause the horse to bend looking to the outside of the circle then slowly put more inside leg on him to straighten him out (keeping the outside rein as a shortened rein) until he comes into contact with the outside rein and maintain forward gait while doing this. A stop is something I would never do as you want the horse thinking forward...not stopping.

2) Allow the bulge to a point but turn the horse into the center of the ring so he is in a "shoulder in/leg yield" type position. Continue forward movement but apply more inside leg with a stiffer ( meaning ungiving) outside rein. This should put the horse almost into what is called a "volte in motion" but you will not allow a circle but rather a leg yield while still maintaining the larger circle position. So in effect the horse will face the inside of the circle while leg yielding in the direction the motion originally started and still doing the larger circle.
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THANKS spyder! that's a lot to think about, i tried keeping a shorter stiffer outside rein and outside leg pressure but he kept on a pushing and I think even backed up! It was toward the end of a 40-50 min training session that started with groundwork, and he did really well up until that point. This was really at the end of everything. I'll have to process what you wrote and see if I can put it into action if it happens again! thanks!
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Yea, I agree, give him a break. He's young and is still learning, so situations like that will challenge him in a lot of ways. Set things up for success so that you ride when feeding time isn't going on until he has more time under saddle and is going a little better.
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