Thank you all for your responses!
Yes, we raised him, so we know he hasn't been ridden.. He has a...buzzy and objectionable temperament when working. In the crossties, leading to and from anywhere, while standing for the farrier or standing to trim his ears or while being saddled he is a gentleman. And he was gelded well and before he started behaving like a young stud. It is people on him he has the biggest issue with.
Where he gets locked up is when you ask him to tak a step forward after leaning or laying over him. He will stand there fine, we have even stood until he was licking his lips, his head lowered, etc. then we would stand up and ask him to go forward, without being on him, and it is PANICFIGHTAHHH!!!! It took us about an hour the last time of working with small steps and repitition before we could lead him in a circle, with the person still laying over him. When learning the other things like, lunging and longlining, he was very... Expressive. When he gets mad, the first sign you get from him is the head shake. When you start to get that, it is as if he is turning off his brain. He stops thinking. He stops trying. He starts fighting.
Not blaming bloodlines, but he seems to have gotten every foul trait his family line is known for. His dam's sire was full brother to a very nice show horse and would have been one too had dad not been in a car accident. All of his foals have been...buzzy in one way or another. The broodmare suffered a head injury as a two year old and started throwing herself if any pressure or pain was put on her head. She has gotten over it, granted not much is asked of her, and she has never done that or shown any bad behavior in front of her foals. We chocked that up to her injury, and because she was "my baby" (I was 12. She was my first one that I broke to lead by myself. You know how 12 year olds are with special ponies. 13 years later though, she's still my girl) we kept her as my broodmare. Her first foal was the most solid thinking, safe and sane horse ever foaled. Trustworthy, and had he not died, would have been a kidpacker at four. This colt, by a different sire, is the second child. Where the first had the general build of his mother, looked just like her, this colt favors the sire. He is finer, more compact, "prettier", has every bit of physical talent that both parents could give. Every BIT. He is so very talented. Smaller eye. Her third colt(a coming two year old by the same sire as the second) looks like a black version of the first colt, only of better quality. Finer, more talented. And while he isn't as laid back as the first, he is just about as wonderful. He has those huge melting eyes you could drown in, and he wants to try. He hasn't put a foot out of place and really acts like he wants to do. I guess if they look like mom, they will be fine.
The colt I am having problems with just does not want to work at all. He wants to quit and get mad and fight. When he does it, it doesn't *feel* like a fear response. This feels and looks every inch of a "go to hell" response.
How we do colts(this happens over several weeks, all in an orderly progression) we start by standing on the block, being able to jump up and down beside them, etc. and then we lean over them, put a little weight in the saddle until we are laying halfway over them and being led in a small circle. Our biggest trouble spot is that point where you go to throw a leg over, if they take a jump with your leg just coming down on the other side, you are screwed, so we have the pair of jeans stuffed and weighted so that we can get the visual issue of something like a leg coming over the back down to the other side isn't an issue(it makes US feel a lot better about that step). We let them wear the pants when we do our daily work. We are relatively clumsy with them as a real person can be getting on and off. We don't tiptoe around them. We progress to us swinging a leg over and sitting there. Getting off and on. Then leading with a rider astride. Then progressing from there. That is the basic jist of what we do. In the starting stages they are longlining and learning how to guide and stop etc.
Dad's been training colts for 40+years. He has a plan that I trust, but I am just hunting for more ideas. Part of the reason I love my dad so much is that he is always open to trying something new. He isn't one of those gruff, set in his ways trainers. Thank you all for your input. I WISH I was set up for and experienced in ponying. I thought about that and was curious if it would work. It probably would, if only for the fact that it is the one thing we cannot do. Lol! Thanks much!
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