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post #11 of 18 Old 12-20-2007, 07:48 PM
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Well circles will help alot just make sure she doesn't get into the habbit of running out...We have had that happen to some lesson ponies because the kids will circle right before a jump so when the more experienced people ride the ponie it thinks it can just run out.

What I use is trot poles before the fence, gymnastics, and stride poles

Trot Poles before the fence.
-set up 4-5 poles a decent amount of length apart and then make a jump
-do this over and over agian making your horse trot through the poles.
-if you keep raising the jump it will also teach your horse to slow down and rock back

Gymnastics (we do them once a month)
-set up 4 bounces to a 1 stride oxer.
-make your horse trot the first fence and then make her/him slow down rock back and bounce every jump then push for the stride and jump the last fence
-this teaches your horse to watch where he/she is putting their feet and when to listen to your legs

Stirde poles
-put one pole 1 stride before a fence and 1 pole a stide after the fence
-jump the pole-jump-pole
-this will make your horse slow down and either shorten-lengthen his/her stride.I have a very energetic mare and this will calm her down very quickly. This will also make them think and listen to you and your aids!!!

Hope this works and let us know if you come up with anything new!!!
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post #12 of 18 Old 12-29-2007, 04:09 PM
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Rushing jumps

First of all, I agree that you should not let your horse jump when it's running through your hands. I disagree with turning it at the jump. You need to completely stop the horse, back it up a few steps, stop. Then try it again. By turning the horse, you will teach it to "run out." This is dangerous. I would start with ground poles and then work up to an X. Don't do anything higher until your horse learns to listen to you and gains some confidence. You can even do a gymnastics line with X's before moving up. This will bring your horse back on it's haunches and enable it to pick up its knees better. Good luck!
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post #13 of 18 Old 12-29-2007, 07:46 PM
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Use a leading pole before the first jump, and put your jumps and caveletties into one long line/row to make a gymnastic, so she has to think between jumps and doesn't have time to rush. Vary the heights and distances, but don't make any of them longer than 2 strides apart. Utilize bounces and one strides to keep her guess. Even throw in some trot poles! You want her thinking about the jumps and obstacles, instead of just wanting rush through them.

Also be aware of your position. Keep your legs under you, don't let them swing back. Keep your back, shoulders, and arms soft, so you don't transmit tension to her. LOOK UP, not down at the jump. BREATHE!! Singing sometimes helps, to distract horse and rider a bit, and it helps to keep your breathing. Don't get ahead of her motion at the canter. Really sit between the jumps (on a normal course) and "ride" her through the canter, so she collects and focuses back on you. Once she's doing better, you can go back to half seat if that's what you prefer.

If your trainer isn't helping you with these things, then I would seriously consider looking for a new trainer. Rushing is a common issue, one any trainer worth their fee should be able to help you fix within a few lessons.

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post #14 of 18 Old 12-29-2007, 07:49 PM
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Also, I will warn you AGAINST stopping or turning out in front of the jumps (unless you turn a circle VERY early, as to not confuse her). This can teach an already confused and excited horse to refuse or duck out. You're better off to go back and work on Dressage for a few months, getting her to listen to your aids and come round. Then when you do start jumping, use a variety of jumps, poles, and cavaletties in a gymnastic set up to keep her focused and FORCE her to be slow by using the obstacles at hand, so you can avoid hauling on her face or teaching her bad habits. You need to stay soft, relaxed, and focused, so she will be more likely to do the same.

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post #15 of 18 Old 12-29-2007, 11:44 PM
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If a horse gets rushy I'm totally for turning them out or stopping them before the jump. It shows them that they will not be able to jump unless they are under control. I have used it in training many speedy horses and it always does the trick. Id on't believe that pulling a horse out of a jump or stopping teaches them to refuse, unless you do it a lot. Everyonce in a while, it won't hurt at all.
I will just work in a figure 8 before the jump if they start getting speedy and we will only take it once they have calmed down.
I also like to halt after the jump if they like to get out of control because it teaches them that they cannot just run off and that they need to listen tp you.
Poles before and after the jumps helps a lot also because it forces them to be more careful and pay attention to their feet which means they cannot speed around like crazy.
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post #16 of 18 Old 12-30-2007, 02:40 AM
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If a horse will so readily refuse a jump just because it has been turned out or stopped due to rushing it is possible that the action was not administered correctly or jumping is just not that horse's thing. If the horse is given plenty of time and confidence to jump the jumps that are being presented to it, it should want to take the jump (refusing is often due to lack of confidence or some training issue).

Anyway, I think if a horse is refusing or rushing it is for a reason.

I think turning out and regaining control or even stopping and backing can be effective ways to show the horse that they need to approach correctly before the GET to (not HAVE to) take the jump.
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post #17 of 18 Old 01-05-2008, 05:51 PM
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Trot and canter poles can help your mare fit in a even stride before the jump. I suggest make sure you have a consistent pace on a 20 meter circle before you go to the jump. If you already have an uneven, unbalanced, or rushy pace, it will make it even harder to attempt to slow her down. Half-Halts also = love.
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post #18 of 18 Old 01-07-2008, 08:18 PM
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I disagree with turning a horse away from a jump, especially an inexperienced horse. If it is a confidence issue then start out small and slow. If you do things too quickly it will make it worse. You should be able to tell that she is wanting to rush so before you get to the jump circle and get it back and then go over. Another idea is when she starts to rush bring her gait down to a trot or walk depending on what gait are doing. She needs to know that the more she rushes the slower you will make her go.
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