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post #121 of 218 Old 06-30-2012, 10:36 PM
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Whoa whoa WHOA. I have shown at APHA worlds and I ride rail classes still and I have NEVER once ripped on my horses face. I borrowed a really nice WP colt (Zips Chocolate Chip lines) and i can guarantee he NEVER got his face ripped on. Granted my rail class career was short lived as two shows and I did not show rail classes at worlds (I showed a halter colt back in the day before I discovered speed classes) but I spent almost all day watching those classes and the warmup pen included, and the majority of the people at he barn I work at show pleasure.

You train the body, the head will naturally go into frame. For some horses it is lower than others. Now, however, it says in the rulebook that a correct headset and frame is with the head even with the whithers.

Do me a favor and stop taking stabs at other peoples sports. I don't show rail classes anymore nor was I a huge fan, but sayin that ALL people in the breed rip and yank on the faces is wrong and uneducated. Whatever you have been watching is incorrect training and must not have been anyone worth a penny. End of story.
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post #122 of 218 Old 06-30-2012, 10:36 PM
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I thought by hiring a trainer I was hiring the expertise of someone (hopefully) better at training horses than I am. I thought that's the way it was done. I know the trainer has to train me as much as the horse. But I thought that was a good thing. Now you guys are saying that if I can't get my act together without the help of a real live trainer I am screwed?
You're fine. Work with your trainer. Tell him/her what issues you have with the horse and go out when you can to learn from the trainer what you should be doing with your horse.

You're fine and doing a good thing.
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post #123 of 218 Old 06-30-2012, 10:40 PM
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Guess you don't know WP horses much. They aren't afraid to move, they are bred to want to go slow. NONE of these horses looked intimidated in the face, they ALL look laid back and relax. That is what a good WP horse is! Ugh....I hate it when people look at something and think they have it figured out. I'd hate to have you look at my horse or watch a vid, because you would ASSUME I ripped his face off constantly and on a daily basis and you couldn't be farther from the truth. LOOK....these horses are bred with slow in the head and slow in the conformation. I guess, if their heads were up, backs hollow and they were running...it would be ok with you.
I DO know WP horses. Bred to move slow is one thing, 4 beating, hesitating to step and short striding and hopping isn't a "pleasure" to watch or ride. When you watch a class and see the "riders" looking to see if the judge is watching and jerking on faces when the judge has their back turned, that's not right. When the horse is hesitating to put it's foot down and take the next step, when the horse has to bunny hop to take the next lope stride because they have no momentum...yeah, bad stuff.

And with that, I'm done with this thread before I get in trouble with the moderators.
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post #124 of 218 Old 06-30-2012, 10:44 PM
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All I ask is for people to stop making total stereotypes. I don't even show pleasure anymore and I am highly offended. That's like me saying all jumpers beat their horses to make them jump or all TWH people sore their horses, or all barrel horses are crazy. I'm done with this thread too, I can't handle listening to this total off set information feast.
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post #125 of 218 Old 06-30-2012, 10:49 PM
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I must have been watching a different video.

Sorrel, I just roll my eyes and go on. The discipline bashing is annoying, but I look at the people who are doing it and get a chuckle.
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post #126 of 218 Old 06-30-2012, 11:15 PM
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The large majority of the time the head set of a horse is natural. It is now they are bred how they are built. Then you add in good correct training to get the horse to use themselves correctly and the head will go where it goes.

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post #127 of 218 Old 07-01-2012, 12:29 AM
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Guess you don't know WP horses much. They aren't afraid to move, they are bred to want to go slow.
Are they really though? I had a WP-bred horse out of Ready to Zip/ Dynamic Deluxe lines that moved like a normal horse. In fact, he enjoyed moving out quite quickly and we got places. He was smooth and easy to ride, but nothing I would have considered slow about him.

I don't believe they are really bred for going slow. Their conformation may encourage a lower head set (I'm thinking carriage at or below the top line) but I believe most of the result you see in the WP ring is in the training. And I'm not saying the training is wrong. While I don't care for my horses to move that way, I doubt the training is any worse for them than many of the other disciplines out there. Just a different method and desire for a way to go.

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post #128 of 218 Old 07-01-2012, 01:29 AM
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Question You see 2 ads:

"Nice horse for sale, Reg QH Mare 15.2 hands, 4 or 5 years old, not broke or started. Not Shown. Clips, loads, bathes. UTD on shots, coggins, and farrier. asking $5000"

"Nice horse for sale, Reg QH Mare 15.2 hands, 3 years old, Shown in QH shows at 2. Does very well in WP and can hold her own in HUS classes. 90 days professional training, still with trainer, you can also speak to them. Clips, loads, bathes. UTD on shots, coggins, and farrier. asking $5000"

Both are bred well. Both have decent conformation. Even say both will pass a PPE. A lot of you are saying you would pick the 4 or 5 year old over the 3 with training and show experience FOR THE SAME PRICE?

Just curious....
Definitely the first, but I'm in it for horses, because I love horses. If I were in it for prestige & prizes, I'd probably think the second a better deal... & if I had that sort of money to spend on a horse & prizes mattered more, well I could just throw it away & get a new one when it broke.

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post #129 of 218 Old 07-01-2012, 06:10 AM
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Are they really though? I had a WP-bred horse out of Ready to Zip/ Dynamic Deluxe lines that moved like a normal horse. In fact, he enjoyed moving out quite quickly and we got places. He was smooth and easy to ride, but nothing I would have considered slow about him.

I don't believe they are really bred for going slow. Their conformation may encourage a lower head set (I'm thinking carriage at or below the top line) but I believe most of the result you see in the WP ring is in the training. And I'm not saying the training is wrong. While I don't care for my horses to move that way, I doubt the training is any worse for them than many of the other disciplines out there. Just a different method and desire for a way to go.
I guess you missed the part of my post that talked about mind-set. I can get my WP gelding to move out when I want...FCS, I can hand gallop him, but when I ask him to so go slow...there is no fight, he does it because he would rather go slow.

It appears that the majority of people complaining about the 2 YO vid, really do have no clue about WP at all, don't show WP, don't train WP, don't know how we breed them and so on. SO like Spurstop said...I'll just roll my eyes at the uneducated comments and move on.
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post #130 of 218 Old 07-01-2012, 04:24 PM
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They are not uneducated, horses age 3 times as fast as humans (anyone correct me if I am wrong with this) so in human years that would be 6 years old.
Would you expect a 6 year old to train heavily for something? No, you wouldn't. They don't have the capability to stay concentrated, and do not have the capability to stay one way for a long period of time.
With that, I am done :)
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I guess you missed the part of my post that talked about mind-set. I can get my WP gelding to move out when I want...FCS, I can hand gallop him, but when I ask him to so go slow...there is no fight, he does it because he would rather go slow.

It appears that the majority of people complaining about the 2 YO vid, really do have no clue about WP at all, don't show WP, don't train WP, don't know how we breed them and so on. SO like Spurstop said...I'll just roll my eyes at the uneducated comments and move on.


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