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post #41 of 218 Old 06-27-2012, 02:59 PM
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Not a fair comparison. Do I think a 5-6 year old started slowly the right way is more likely to stay sound longer than a yearling started the same way? Yes I do.

So you are going to take a 5-6 yo horse and spend the first 6 months at a walk trot? Then spend the next 2-3 months working up to the lope and doing all the work so slow that it would take 2 years before you really get them working correctly consistently and well then anouther 2-3 years before they are truely finished? By the time you have a truely finished horse it will be into its teens. That is a wast of a good horse. I have a lot of horses started at 2 or a bit before and some who where started at 5 or around that age. The older horse was not more sound into its 20's then the younger horses but the younger horses where much better trained even with the same training. They just pick it up better and faster. Better muscle memory.

I didn't claim you were putting your horses into "serious work" But there are an aweful lot of people doing many disaplines where the horse is spinning, stopping, running, jumping(etc, all of which could be classified as "serious" work) and expected to be collected and ballanced while doing it as barely two year olds.


Well are you sure. You say spinning and stopping and that is a big thing reiners do and most reiners are started early their 2yo year so about 20-22 months of age.


They are living creatures. Conformation, feeding, type of work they are asked to do, age they are asked to do it, the way they are stabled all contribute to soundness. There is no way to conclusively track the cause of lameness, all we can do is do our best to prevent it.

Yes they are and just like any living thing instilling a work eithic young is so much better and easier then when they are older.

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post #42 of 218 Old 06-27-2012, 03:08 PM
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Really? Mine are board past a few hourse over a week of ground work. Once they get use to the saddle and bit and are moving and stopping on cue they start under saddle work. Most of what a horse needs to learn under saddle does not translate from ground work
I disagree. Softness, flexiblility, trust, respect, Giving to preasure when asked can all be taught on the ground, and translate, in varying degrees, to under saddle work. I really don't see why you would need any more than "a few hours a week" though. Mine are kicked out to be horses the majority of the time.

Ground work bores me to tears, but I would rather build that relationship on the ground first.
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You first need to define serious work. When I have or I do it start a long yearling or early 2yo it is all walk and maybe a bit of troting.
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I didn't claim you were putting your horses into "serious work" But there are an aweful lot of people doing many disaplines where the horse is spinning, stopping, running, jumping(etc, all of which could be classified as "serious" work) and expected to be collected and ballanced while doing it as barely two year olds.
Well are you sure. You say spinning and stopping and that is a big thing reiners do and most reiners are started early their 2yo year so about 20-22 months of age.
See, I'm not sure where you are going with this. First you say its walking and a bit of trotting when you start a 1.5-2 year old, then this last comment leads me to think you are spinning and doing stops on 20-22 month olds. Which is it?

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Yes they are and just like any living thing instilling a work eithic young is so much better and easier then when they are older.
True, but you would not make a child do an 8 hour shift as a professional cleaner to instill "work ethic", asking them to clean their room would be more appropriate. Similarly Asking an immature horse to do the work of an adult has no benifit(except satisfying impatient owners and/or making money) and can cause physical and mental issues.

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I disagree. Softness, flexiblility, trust, respect, Giving to preasure when asked can all be taught on the ground, and translate, in varying degrees, to under saddle work. I really don't see why you would need any more than "a few hours a week" though. Mine are kicked out to be horses the majority of the time.

Ground work bores me to tears, but I would rather build that relationship on the ground first.
I'm happy for you that you can "kick them out to be horses", most of us can't.

If we want to do things with our horses daily, (you know, the reason we HAVE horses?) they get bored. There is only so much you can do from the ground before you run out of fresh new stuff to engage their minds.

If the individual horse is physically and mentally ready, then there is no reason not to go on.
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^^ I love the bay roan in your avatar .. just sayin'.

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I try and work with my 2 year old every day. But, I just can't sometimes. I have my 4 year old that needs work. My rope horse needs conditioning. My mom's 3 year old needs miles. There's a 6 year old out there that we want to sell soon, so she needs to be fine tuned. Theres another 2 year old that needs groundwork like... yesterday. And I'm the only one here that rides a horse or works with a horse because it needs time.

So what if I ride my 2 year old for 20 minutes 5 days out of the week? She'll have at least two months off right away, and then the whole winter.

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I try and work with my 2 year old every day. But, I just can't sometimes. I have my 4 year old that needs work. My rope horse needs conditioning. My mom's 3 year old needs miles. There's a 6 year old out there that we want to sell soon, so she needs to be fine tuned. Theres another 2 year old that needs groundwork like... yesterday. And I'm the only one here that rides a horse or works with a horse because it needs time.

So what if I ride my 2 year old for 20 minutes 5 days out of the week? She'll have at least two months off right away, and then the whole winter.

I disagree, if you don't have time for them, then you should of not got them then. So you're saying if you hurt your 2 year,.for riding that much,it will be fine,cause it won't be rode all Winter? That's stupid... sry. That's not how it works. I started riding my horse Lolly at 2 years old,and I rode her about 2-3 times a week.. just LIGHT rides, some trotting and stuff,mostly walking,and bending,and backing.. then at about 2 and half I started on cantering and stuff. A 2 year old horse,does not need to be rode that much, they are not mature enough... it will hurt there back and knee's in the long run.. Now light riding they can handle.. And also make sure, they are good enough for it,my one horse I started at 2, the vet okayed, and she was filled out,and just good.. she matured fast, now I had a fillly ( I gave her away to some one) that I would not of started till she was 3....
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I disagree. Softness, flexiblility, trust, respect, Giving to preasure when asked can all be taught on the ground, and translate, in varying degrees, to under saddle work. I really don't see why you would need any more than "a few hours a week" though. Mine are kicked out to be horses the majority of the time.

Ground work bores me to tears, but I would rather build that relationship on the ground first.
Working a horse only one or two days a week is like picking a 100 acre hayfield by hand. You just can't do it right. If your teaching a horse you have to stay with it. And do everything the same. You can only ground work them so long.
I work my 2 year old 5 days a week. I took 1 week off to go on vacation and I could tell she had the time off. And if you think she don't like working she see my coming with a halter and she comes running, or gets mad when I take another horse.
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I disagree. Softness, flexiblility, trust, respect, Giving to preasure when asked can all be taught on the ground, and translate, in varying degrees, to under saddle work. I really don't see why you would need any more than "a few hours a week" though. Mine are kicked out to be horses the majority of the time.

Ground work bores me to tears, but I would rather build that relationship on the ground first.
Again my horses would be so board doing that much ground work. While I know you can teach some of these things and I do to some extent it does not take but a day or 2 to each these things well enough to start them under saddle. They learn most of this by the time they are weaned. They learn to give to pressure move their hips with just a touch give to presure and all the other things so they have already got all this stuff by the time they are 2. There is also a relationship. By the time they head to the trainers they have all the basics. No need for the trainer to spend a lot of time rehashing what has already been done.

Mine are also out enjoying life the majority of the time. At 2 they are only being worked including saddleing about 30 min. So they have 23 and a half hours to do what they want.

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