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    11-25-2012, 03:52 PM
  #11
Foal
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Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
This might help a little. Huntseat to Saddleseat!! (long) - Trot.org Forums

Couldn't see the pics, but from a video of yours that I found on another thread, he is not going to look like a chess piece. You might get his head up enough for a small local show, but it is going to take a lot of conditioning.
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When I first broke him, he had an amazing headset, the one Im trying to get now. I hadnt worked on his headset then because I was focusing on the basics.
     
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    11-25-2012, 03:55 PM
  #12
Foal
@SEAmom yea when he goes outside 90% of the time he acts like I wish he would when Id ride him.

Also!! To everyone saying I can't do much about it,
He was owned by a professional trainer that had 5 GAITED or PARK Pleasure plans for him. I plan on country pleasure soo... Obviously my horse HAS the potential, I just need to bring out his best. That's why I am here.
     
    11-25-2012, 03:57 PM
  #13
Showing
He's young yet and hasn't finished developing.
     
    11-25-2012, 04:03 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
He's young yet and hasn't finished developing.
Oh um.. I know? But... Um thanks..? He currently stands at 16hh and has some muscle but I know he's not done...?
     
    11-25-2012, 04:05 PM
  #15
Yearling
OP Can you upload some pictures to photobucket (free photo sharing site) then just copy/paste the IMG code here.

Also, you said you don't know how to line drive your horse. That will be step one. Can you find a good trainer that will teach you how to do that? I have always taught horses to ground drive or long line first before anything. They are practically broke by the time you get on that way. They know where to put their heads, how to walk, trot and turn on command. You can be teaching verbal que's to them from the ground.

You will need a surcingle and of course, long ropes but it is fairly easy. It is basic mechanics, the head comes up and so does the motion. It is the collection that achieves the animation in the legs as well as body condition. There is an old saying in the Saddlebred world. You can fix the front but the back has to be natural. If the horse shuffles from behind, you won't likely fix that much but you can certainly help the front end by conditioning and collecting.



See if your trainer that sold you the horse can teach you to long line. Good luck and I can't wait to see your little girl. :)


I wanted to add that neither of those video's are the best example but it gives you a vague idea of where to start. I prefer to literally drive the horse forward and teach the horse to move and bend as well. This will teach the horse to move up into the bridle, lifting the head and of course, building up some motion.
     
    11-25-2012, 04:06 PM
  #16
Yearling
This one is a little better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

That is a young horse starting out.
     
    11-25-2012, 04:23 PM
  #17
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inga    
OP Can you upload some pictures to photobucket (free photo sharing site) then just copy/paste the IMG code here.

Also, you said you don't know how to line drive your horse. That will be step one. Can you find a good trainer that will teach you how to do that? I have always taught horses to ground drive or long line first before anything. They are practically broke by the time you get on that way. They know where to put their heads, how to walk, trot and turn on command. You can be teaching verbal que's to them from the ground.

You will need a surcingle and of course, long ropes but it is fairly easy. It is basic mechanics, the head comes up and so does the motion. It is the collection that achieves the animation in the legs as well as body condition. There is an old saying in the Saddlebred world. You can fix the front but the back has to be natural. If the horse shuffles from behind, you won't likely fix that much but you can certainly help the front end by conditioning and collecting.
See if your trainer that sold you the horse can teach you to long line. Good luck and I can't wait to see your little girl. :)
I prefer to literally drive the horse forward and teach the horse to move and bend as well. This will teach the horse to move up into the bridle, lifting the head and of course, building up some motion.
The trainer I bought my horse Jett from, her and I are on bad terms. She moved to Kentucky after my friend and I left her barn, putting her out of business.
My horse does know how to long line, I just haven't done it since I broke him. I never really thought about it, and I don't have a trainer that can teach me to line, but I'm sure I can figure this out. I just don't know if itd be worth lining him??


This video is just some random clips, I had never done any work to his headset with this.

I was jumping him, but now he's done jumping. For like 3 weeks I did draw rein work to get his head down to see if he was more comfortable with that, he's not. So I stopped with draw reins do give him a break and now I've been using them to get his head up.


THis video I made when I was mad and we had a bunch of problems. It wasnt too long ago but he doesnt rear now and we're not jumping. I don't have any recent clips of draw rein work.
     
    11-25-2012, 04:33 PM
  #18
Foal
IMG_2035.png photo by OnTarget324 | Photobucket
When I first broke him ^^

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Draw reins recently ^^

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Being lunged with weighted bell boots March 2012

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No draw reins
     
    11-25-2012, 04:38 PM
  #19
Foal
Screenshot2012-11-25at23500PM.png photo by OnTarget324 | Photobucket

This is him too believe it or not... This is where I want his head!! But I can't get it stayy ):
     
    11-25-2012, 04:48 PM
  #20
Yearling
Alright first thing I see is that you said he is only 3 now, yes? If so, he sure as heck shouldn't be jumping that high, if at all. That could be an issue for his legs. The other thing is you need to decide what you really want to do with him. It is very confusing to a horse that one day you want his head down for this or that and then you decide you want to crank his head up.

His head is going to fall where it will. You can crank it up a little but he is simply NOT a high headed horse. Your "trainer" might have had big park plans for him but I suspect she was feeding your interest with that story. He is a lovely horse and I am sure you can do Country Pleasure with him. You just have to be consistant with him. When you say shoes... do you mean weighted shoes or a keg shoe?

I reallly suggest (firmly) that you find a qualified trainer to teach you how to long line and to properly use developers. I would have to have you hurt your horse or cripple him by trying to do something neither you nor he know how to do. He looks like he has a great willing attitude and that will take him a long way.

If you look at the second video at like 1:38 you will see how his neck will look if his head is carried too high. Let him find a comfortable place for his head. Like I said, his willing attitude is wondeful. How is he bred?

Edit: In the picture, his head is high enough for Country Pleasure, do you want it higher then that? He just needs to learn to give to the bit and tuck his nose, which will come with work and collection. Driving is great for that.
     

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