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    11-25-2012, 03:57 PM
  #21
Yearling
I just looked at a different video of yours.
I have to say... I hope you don't hurt this horse. He is 3 years old and I see videos of him galloping, flying over jumps without control and then this. I seriously think you need to slow down with him before his legs get hurt or worse. It is fun to do all the fast stuff but he is a baby and needs to grow up first. With a fall like that, you are lucky he didn't break a leg or something.
     
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    11-25-2012, 06:23 PM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by Inga    
Alright first thing I see is that you said he is only 3 now, yes? If so, he sure as heck shouldn't be jumping that high, if at all. That could be an issue for his legs. The other thing is you need to decide what you really want to do with him. It is very confusing to a horse that one day you want his head down for this or that and then you decide you want to crank his head up.

If you look at the second video at like 1:38 you will see how his neck will look if his head is carried too high. Let him find a comfortable place for his head. Like I said, his willing attitude is wondeful. How is he bred?

Edit: In the picture, his head is high enough for Country Pleasure, do you want it higher then that? He just needs to learn to give to the bit and tuck his nose, which will come with work and collection. Driving is great for that.
I know its confusing. Obviously that's why I said Im done jumping, and gave him time off. For the like 5th to everybody, I don't HAVE A CHOICE, I CANNOT HAVE A TRAINER.

But, no I don't want his head any higher than that because he can't get his head any higher than that.
     
    11-25-2012, 06:29 PM
  #23
Foal
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Originally Posted by Inga    
I just looked at a different video of yours.

I have to say... I hope you don't hurt this horse. He is 3 years old and I see videos of him galloping, flying over jumps without control and then this. I seriously think you need to slow down with him before his legs get hurt or worse. It is fun to do all the fast stuff but he is a baby and needs to grow up first. With a fall like that, you are lucky he didn't break a leg or something.
Excuse me?
1st. You don't KNOW my horse
2nd. Do you think I ASKED him to fall? You werent even there! He slipped, havent you slipped before? Don't young horses slip?
3rd. I'm not going to make him do anything I know he can't. I KNOW he can easily clear 3 ft. In my video Hard to Love, that was when I making mistakes.
4th. I've had more than one PROFESSIONAL tell me he's fine. I have never jumped him more than once a week, if even two weeks in a row.

I do what my horse enjoys. I've been putting his needs over mine ever since I left my saddleseat barn. I LOVE showing saddleseat, and I had a trainer tell me he has absolutely NO talent. My horse HATES flatwork. So I started jumping him. Flat work with patterns wasnt enough either. Did some gaming. He loves running, trail rides, jumping, anything but flat work. So I only do a full lesson for him of straight flat work sometimes. If you can train this horse better than me, than come to Illinois and show me.
     
    11-25-2012, 06:30 PM
  #24
Foal
Also, he is getting normal shoes. Shoes any other horse would get.
     
    11-25-2012, 07:57 PM
  #25
Weanling
Pretty much every horse can clear a 3' fence, but that doesn't mean that a 3-year-old should be doing it as much as you obviously were, particularly with a rider who was interfering every step of the way.

I agree with Inga; you are putting way, way too much stress on this horse's legs for his age.
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    11-25-2012, 08:04 PM
  #26
Yearling
Your response is exactly as I suspected I would get. You don't WANT to hear you are making mistakes. You want to hear that you are doing everything right but... you are not.

Jumping horses before they are grown is a mistake and can damage them. Doing it only once a week or twice, still too much. Jumping a 3 foot fence... too much. Galloping full out and then flopping him down because you were trying to turn... can hurt him. He is however your horse so sadly, you have that right. You asked for advice, I gave it. Let him grow up before stressing him so much.

3 year old kids love doing a lot of stuff that isn't good for them too. Doesn't mean they should be allowed to do it. Best of luck to you and your horse.
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    11-25-2012, 09:43 PM
  #27
Green Broke
Agree with the others who are trying to tell you that you are doing way too much, too fast for a horse this young, and especially this tall.

As for the headset, he is simply not built right. Comes out of his chest oddly with his neck, is thick in the throatlatch and short in the poll. He will never be able to buckle over correctly because of that, and may not do that well outside of local shows.

And yes, before you get all snippy with me like the others you have replied to, I do know what I am talking about, grew up with Saddlebreds, my father was a trainer, and I worked with some of the best in the country, trainers and horses.

If you keep running, jumping and tearing around on this horse like you have been, it will all be a moot point anyway, as you will either kill him or cripple him, and even if he was conformationally correct for a Saddlebred, the things you are doing with him are at cross purposes.
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    11-25-2012, 10:55 PM
  #28
Started
I didn't realize you were doing so many different things with him. At this point, I agree that what you're doing with him is counter-productive.

What do you see for him when he's fully matured? Are you wanting to show him in country pleasure? If so, to what level? Local, regional, national? These are all important things to consider. I can understand wanting to achieve that beautiful english pleasure headset (all levels included in my generalization because I love them all), but while he is still so young you need to pick one direction and go with that.

A 3 year old horse is roughly equivalent to a 9 year old child. In effect, what you're doing is putting your 9 year old in soccer, football, softball, boy scouts, and expecting him to excel in all of his school work. That's a lot of pressure and very confusing. I know saddlebreds well and they really do need that focused, concentrated direction. If he enjoys gaming, then work towards that slowly (because he's still very young and his joints haven't all closed up yet). No one will discount you for that. Of course, you know with gaming that the high headset won't serve him much of a purpose. If he enjoys trail riding, you could even work him towards competitive trial riding with obstacles and all of that fun stuff.

What I'm saying is that you need to find something specific to focus on for now. If country pleasure is it, then you need to work towards that or anything that relates very closely to that (not gaming, as an example). As he ages and matures and his training is far more solid, you can introduce all the other things. He'll have a solid foundation by that point and will be able to fall back on that as you introduce fun, new challenges. That's not for years to come, though.

Having a 4 year old myself, I know how exciting it can be and how all those prospects can seem so far away. I often have to force myself to take it slowly and easily because I can quickly get ahead of both of us. That just leads to confusion on my poor guys part and frustration on mine. I joke about my guy saying that if he fails at showing, then we'll do endurance. Of course, I focus on the show ring aspect knowing that changing his career can be done at any point in his life as long as I make sure to give him a good, solid foundation.

I hope that made sense. Again, if you decide that country pleasure is the direction you want to go in, there are MANY knowledgeable resources (like anyone telling you long line him - EXTREMELY important for all saddleseat disciplines for many reasons) on here who will be more than happy to help you.
     
    11-26-2012, 12:55 AM
  #29
Started
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Originally Posted by Palomine    
Agree with the others who are trying to tell you that you are doing way too much, too fast for a horse this young, and especially this tall.

As for the headset, he is simply not built right. Comes out of his chest oddly with his neck, is thick in the throatlatch and short in the poll. He will never be able to buckle over correctly because of that, and may not do that well outside of local shows.

And yes, before you get all snippy with me like the others you have replied to, I do know what I am talking about, grew up with Saddlebreds, my father was a trainer, and I worked with some of the best in the country, trainers and horses.

If you keep running, jumping and tearing around on this horse like you have been, it will all be a moot point anyway, as you will either kill him or cripple him, and even if he was conformationally correct for a Saddlebred, the things you are doing with him are at cross purposes.
As a current saddlebred owner, breeder, and trainer, I agree completely with this. The picture where he has his head up as far as it can be, I guess the last pic with his nose out was horrendous. He isn't collected, I doubt he even knows how, and isn't going to be able to carry himself properly. He looks GREAT as a hunter jumper horse though. He is just not built to be a competitive saddleseat horse. Maybe at smaller shows, but aim low. Don't get your sights set on the championships for this guy in a saddleseat class. Other classes for sure, though. He is cute as a button.

My five year old gelding as a weanling looked like a Five gaited, future breeding horse prospect. The next year he as he grew into himself he looked like a three gaited future gelding. As he developed, small little things made it to where he would have had a horrible time learning to rack. As is the way with many many many young horses. Just look at all the killer weanlings an yearlings you see in the futurities. Some look like they will own the world when they get older. Sadly, most of them will never be half as good as they looked as babies.

Trainers and owners can get "barn blind" all the time. They may think they are working the next Wing Commander when in reality they wouldn't place at a county fair.
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    11-26-2012, 05:06 AM
  #30
Yearling
I also wanted to add (though I don't know why I am botherring) that just becaue your horse won't be a high level park horse doesn't mean it is worth any less. The key to a truly good trainer (IMO) isn't just looking at a horse for one thing. All horses have worth, all have talent. The key is finding the place where the horse fits and working to go as far as you can in that discipline.

My hope is that what appears to be a wildly out of control teen who likes to go fast, go high and do it all at once, will actually be a young lady who is willing to learn from others and change her ways before she permanently hurts her horse. I don't have to know your horse to know that what you are doing thus far is dangerous to the overall health of your young horse.

I will ask again out of curiosity. What are your horses bloodlines? Sire? Dam?

You left a Saddlebred stable, why? If you are from Illinois, there are plenty of other Saddlebred stables there, maybe seek out another one if the first didn't fit your needs. I highly discourage one trying to longline and use developers without knowing how to. Again, you can hurt your horse.
     

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