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    08-07-2010, 10:39 PM
  #1
Weanling
It seems we have a massive tying problem

I just moved my horse to a new barn and she has decided that she simply will not tie, whatsoever.

I knew she had a habit of pulling back, I've seen her do it and break a halter, but I've been without something to tie her to that won't break for the past two months so we haven't worked on it.

Well now we have a hitching post that is NOT breaking regardless of what she does and I've decided she will tie.

She does not agree.

I tied her today with a rope halter and within an hour she had pulled back six times, scratched her hind legs up pretty good from falling on her butt and broken my rope halter.

I found a nylon shipping halter (not a regular flat nylon, it's much sturdier) and tied her back up with that for round two.

She stood well for about twenty minutes so I decided that would be a good time to reward her so I fed her her grain where she was standing. She ate it and freaked out again right after she inhaled the last piece of grain and pulled back another three or four times and broke the lead part of the nylon halter.

I grabbed her up again, tied her again using the same shipping halter (she only broke the lead so I just shortened it, the halter was fine) where she proceeded to pull back another three times.

This time it held and she stood there for a good twenty minutes. I untied her and put her back in the pasture.

Several people were standing around and I was chatting with them and they all commented on how it was very odd that she wasn't learning from this. She would pull back, and if she didn't succeed she would stop to wait a bit and try, try again. It was an endless cycle.

Has anyone dealt with a horse this bad about tying? Do you think there's hope?

My plan is to tie her everyday until she learns, but I imagine I'm going to go through a bunch of halters and leads and she is going to bang herself up pretty bad in the process.

We ended up staying for 3 hours today simply because she kept pulling back and I won't free her when she does that, but I don't feel like we made much progress.
     
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    08-07-2010, 10:53 PM
  #2
Super Moderator
Psychologically speaking, the most satisfying reward is the one that comes randomly (ie randomly being "freed" [when the halter breaks] while pulling back). Therefore, everytime her halter broke you were training her quite effectively to continue to pull back since she might get rewarded.

At this point you need to make sure she never gets "rewarded" for pulling back. So you need to make sure everything you're tying her with will not break under any circumstances. Then, I would expect to see improvement after a few sessions of leaving her tied for a while without getting away at all and then putting her in the pasture as a reward for standing quietly for a minute or two (at this point you want to reward her for the little things, eventually you can build up time before releasing her).

Someone else will probably have a better idea about how to retrain her to tie but I thought I'd just pop in an share why she didn't appear to be learning what you wanted.
     
    08-07-2010, 10:56 PM
  #3
Weanling
I didn't except the rope halter to break, and I really didn't expect the shipping halter to break. At this point I'm not sure what to use on her that she cannot snap.

Maybe two shipping halters? So when she breaks one there is a back up?

She is a big horse, very strong and very intent on getting free. I'm at a loss of how to keep her from getting what she wants because everything I use keeps snapping.
     
    08-07-2010, 11:13 PM
  #4
Trained
I would tie with a neck, or belly rope, instead of a lead with a hook. The neck or belly rope will help alleviate some of the 'damage' she could do pulling like she is. Possibly tying her with an inner tube to the rail, or post (not sure what you're tying to), so there is additional 'give' there too.

You could also try the Blocker tie ring, but it sounds like she could be one that would simply keep backing up til she let the lead rope loose, some do, and some don't, it would just be worth a try. The blocker tie ring works to help alleviate the clausterphobia that some horses feel, which causes them to suddenly pull back like they do, because it will 'move with them' and not create that solid barrier that a normal lead rope gives.

You could also teach her to ground tie, if she doesn't already (what did you do at the old barn?). I've retrained pullers, and dancers with ground tying exercises; if they want to fidgit around, or pull on me, I can put them to work immediately, relieving that 'tying anxiety'. Eventually I move onto looping the lead over a rail, and acting like the horse is still ground tied. I don't make a fuss, just toss it over the railing, and go on my business; if they pull it off, or dance, I can, again, go back to working their butts, til they realize standing is the much better option...and I work them HARD! If moving around is what they want, then that is what they will get. Eventually what you get is a horse who will stand no matter where you put him, simply because he doesn't want to have to work. However, this method takes more time, just because you have to take more 'steps' to get to the point of tying, but it does work.

Hobbling is another option, but again, may take some time, simply because most horses aren't taught to hobble, so you would have to work with him on that. Hobbling can be beneficial in a pinch, as well, if you have no where to tie if you go somewhere.
     
    08-07-2010, 11:24 PM
  #5
Foal
I had a gelding that wouldn't take shoes and wouldn't tie, pull back big time... so I got what is called a be nice halter, rope halter with metal knobs on the pole, so when they pull back the knobs dig into the pole (tender spot on a horse) I tied my gelding to a telephone pole with this halter, started working with his feet, well, he pulled back, I mean had both back feet up under him pulling, then he grunted let up and has never pulled back since. My friend bought this horse from me and he can be shod with out even being tied now. The thing is, the horse teaches his self and doesn't connect you with the self inflicted pain.... I guess some would say it's mean, but it really doesn't injure the horse, oh and use a bull snap. They are so much stonger than the regular kind
     
    08-08-2010, 12:29 AM
  #6
Weanling
I would try a neck or body rope. If you do use either of them make sure you run the rope through the ring in the halter to keep the horses head fairly straight and then tie to the post. Also use a heavier rope, go to the hardware store or something and pick one up, don't just rely on lead ropes.

Lead ropes tend to be not as strong, and they cost more then if you get one at the hardware store.
     
    08-08-2010, 01:15 AM
  #7
Weanling
I am wondering this too because currently my mare does not tie. Every time I do she sits back hard and continues to sit back almost flipping over till her halter snaps or comes off and she is free. So now I have to just loop the rope over the post a few times. How do you teach your horse to stand there calmly without causing them to flip or snap their necks?
     
    08-08-2010, 07:19 AM
  #8
Started
I'll second the Blocker Tie Ring. Be sure to use a long lead rope, though, like at least 15-20 ft. I love these things, and the horses I deal with regularly all "came" able to tie well. I use the rings mostly when I don't have something really "safe" to tie to, for example my light aluminum trailer or a highline. The horse pulls back, but gets the release as slack in the rope the instant she quits fighting, therefore rewarding the right behavior. As the horse progresses, the tie ring can be set tighter and tighter, requiring more pull to slip.

Also, I'd review her "give to pressure" buttons. Make sure that she understands how to drop her head, come forward, and flex her neck in prompt response to halter pressure. If she really understands how to come off of pressure, she's likely to not fight quite so much when she does pull back.

Good luck!
     
    08-08-2010, 08:06 AM
  #9
Foal
(im only new at this) At our stud we reguarly get horses who don't tie and this is because they have never bean taught to tie in the first place and keep getting away with it. We solve this simple. Find a tree, I recomend a strong one. Place a rope halter on your horse with a lead and a long thick rope with a ring on the end.
O-------------------------------<< <Like so except it will be a tad bigger.
Now place the rope around your horses girt area pullind the end of the thick rope through the metal ring. The ring shoul sit loosely around the horses girth and the actual metal ring should be roughly in the middle/in between his front legs (but on the girth still) now run the tail of the thick lead thru his rope halter just under the chin and tie this shorter than you tied his head. This is designed to when your horse pulls back all the pressure isnt on his head but around his girth and the thick lead will tighten as he pulls against it. Eventually he will relise when he walks up to the tree the rope around his girth loosens and the pressure is off his head sort of encourage your horse to pull back but with kindness but don't get hurt by get a carrot stick or a hard stick and on his lead that is clipped to his head collar firmly tap your horses lead rope causing the rope to move (your horse may pull back or just throw his head) and when your horse moves his head closer to the tree or steps up to the poll pressure (steps up to the tree) pat him. Your horse will need a few lessons but don't be frightened. She may get a rub from the girth rope but nothing to worry about. ( I hope this makes sense!) GOOD LUCK!
     
    08-08-2010, 09:05 AM
  #10
Weanling
The blocker tie ring is a good idea,i would also leave a short rope/lead rein on her in the field and when she,s grazing she will keep standing on it trapping herself,we do this before tethering a horse
     

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