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    12-04-2013, 10:35 PM
IDK they are just more like bunny hops, then spins.. its not like full on rodeo. Idk what my gf said is that she moved to get a better seat, reba acted like she was going to intiate the trot, got about ten feet stopped and started bunny hoping
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    12-04-2013, 10:37 PM
From what you describe, the horse is not used to weight on it's back. When the weight shifts suddenly the horse panics. This horse needs to be worked in the roundpen, got on and off, and started slowly. Until I can canter in the yard, I do not ride out of the yard.

For now, walk or pony out of the yard, and for 10 minutes of riding work, I would stay in the roundpen- lean on the horse and get her/him used to weight. Get off, get back on. Walk in circles, and do changes of the direction through the center. Get off. Nothing more than that. No faster.

What happens if this horse bolts on the trail? Your horse will bolt too as he has separation issues. If the horse starts bucking while galloping someone can get badly hurt.

If the horse continues to buck people off, it will end up dangerous and pts, and this will be your fault for not training it correctly. It could get someone killed. The neighbor girl broke her back- bucked off on a shell rock drive way - was lucky to even walk again.
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    12-04-2013, 10:46 PM
Reba should be used to everything, we have done all of this stuff. We have ground drove, weight on back, lunged, with gf on her, all this stuff has been done.. trainer has rode her down the road and through ditches no problem.. I think honestly its the saddle, we switched saddles bcs it fits my gf better but we didnt think about how it would affect the horse.. But we are going to a saddle fitter and see if this is whats causing it
    12-04-2013, 10:48 PM
So I have never ponied a horse, how do you do it? Whats the correct way and what to watch out for?
    12-04-2013, 10:49 PM
And as for my horse bolting, hahah well when reba was bucking my horse turned her head and was looking at them like she was an idiot.. hell she wanted to keep going through the field.. I had to get her to stop and turn around.. My horse is fully broke, I can do anything on her. I just ask and she does..
    12-04-2013, 10:50 PM
Two and how many months. She looks like a nicely built horse with good bones. Reining and reined cow horse people start their horses at 1 and a half. With that said I ride in the same events and my horse helps me get there... so of she is giving me the pleasure and joy working for me in the show pen I need to treat her right. I started mine at two and a half which she is still growing mentally and physically. I specifically told the trainer to go light and took her home for LIGHT trail riding... nothing over an hour.

DustinWhite: Many people start their horse young, but the posters are correct it is safer and they are more mentally ready at a later age. I age do some more ground work and respect issues. Lunge her with the saddle on and see what happens. Use wet paper towels or do a saddle check similar to see of saddle is resting evenly. It could be pain, chripractic issues, OR attitude. We had a horse that would show no signs and then start bucking but she was a rarity most show signs unless spooked or pain. It is so hard to say but good luck! I would give some time off and work with a good trainer when able... ride with the trainer... Also check the saddle and if chiropractic issues or more same deal have a chiropractor out... My horse at seven bucked it was chiropractic glad I followed advice... but that gets spendy and long shot there...
    12-04-2013, 10:56 PM
Dustin White: As for your horse... we do several exercises... if she won't ride out alone work hard close to the other horses walk away.... and stop... repeat.. expand area farther and farther away. Make away less work and rewarding... being by others a lot of work... you need to do this often for it to work... consistency. On trails all horses usually show a little anxiety. COMMUNICATE... we let one horse lope ahead or trot ahead keep another at a walk yell to rider ahead of anxiety is creeping up on horse behind to uncomfortable.. start small distances one trots ahead then stop let behind horse catch up... keep playing with this until the horses realizes I am okay alone and we get back together
    12-04-2013, 11:02 PM
To pony you hold on to the other horses halter rope and get on your horse and pull on lead rope. BEFORE trying this make sure lead horse will not kick and ponied horse will not freak being so close. You can tie the horse to yours but I do not recommend it in case of emergencies or use a quick release snap. My experience... the other horse will pull or maybe rear... if pull keep pressure forward... my horse is good he keeps a walking... I use him for young stock that pull... they eventual go if I walk with no pressure then just ride around.

Quick tie: I tried ponying my mom's filly with she freaked and reared and she pulled the saddle sideways before I got to quick release and I fell on ground. The important part here was my horse stood like a rock and stared at me like what are you doing on the ground.. love that horse... so personally I like to hold lead rope
    12-04-2013, 11:13 PM
Nell J: yeah the quarter horse is built like a tank! Short and stocky! She might not be mentally ready, but she knows everything we ask of her, Trot, canter, whoaa. We have done all of this.. But pretty much the same saddle, and everytime anything over 20 minutes or so she is bucking. That's why I wondered if it was the saddle! I called a saddle fitter and he seems to think its the saddle. I rather pay the 30$ for an expert to check it out than to pay 3000$ for my gf being in the hospital.. And yes I have tried ponying I remember now, the trainer wanted me to try it, and they get along good no problems, but I felt uncomfortable so I just let go of her.. And gfs horse is going to be 3 years old in jan. Mine is 10 to 11 years old. Not quite sure.. She used to be a trail horse about 5-6 years ago, I just got her back into riding.. And we ride bitless and she loves it..
    12-04-2013, 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by dustinwhite87    
What the hell is wrong with this horse.
This horse is two. This horse has the mentality of a baby. You are treating the horse as if she is 15 and been-there-done-that and should be 1000% bombproof, just because you say so.

Originally Posted by dustinwhite87    
So we hooked up with a trainer, he worked with her for a week
You seriously think she is supposed to be a perfect trained horse with no training issues after ONE WEEK?

If a 5-year-old child took one year of kindergarten, what do you think would happen if you jumped them up to 10th grade the next year? That's what you are trying to do to your horse.

Originally Posted by dustinwhite87    
can't just keep getting bucked off. There is no reason for it.. No one is doing anything wrong to her
You're right. It's not safe to keep getting bucked off, and you are teaching the horse that she can buck off her rider.

But there IS a reason for it. YOU. You have unrealistic expectations for this horse and you are forgetting that she is only a baby. She is two.

Actually, the horse is the smarter of the two of you, at this point. She's figured out an easy way to get out of work; just buck the rider off. Sounds like a smart horse to me.

As Tom Dorrance once said: "When I hear somebody talk about a horse or a cow being stupid, I figure its a sure sign that the animal has outfoxed them."

Originally Posted by dustinwhite87    
This all happened when ashley moved to get a better seat and all heck broke loose..
So? She's 2 years old!!!!! What do you expect? She is not a finished trained horse. She is an unreliable, unpredictable two-year-old.

Originally Posted by dustinwhite87    
But I can't ride with out my gf, or else my horse freaks out and does stupid stuff all the time.. She has seperation anxiety. Which I don't know how to fix that either..
Oh, your horse is also stupid? Refer to my quote of Tom Dorrance above.

STOP BLAMING THE HORSES. The riders are the one to blame.

Originally Posted by dustinwhite87    
She might not be mentally ready, but she knows everything we ask of her
There a big difference from a horse being able to mentally handle all the tasks you ask of it.

Sure, you can train a 7-year-old child to run a combine. It's just a serious of steps to turn it on, steer, and run the gas. That 7-year-old child can do everything you ask of them. But what if a strange noise start happening on the combine? They're going to panic. What if they get stuck in a low spot? They are going to panic.

She is not mentally ready and you aren't doing her any favors by teaching her bad habits, like learning she can buck off her rider.

You need to send this horse to a trainer much, much longer than a week, and definitely do not handle or work this horse unsupervised. And you actually probably need to turn her out for the winter to mature, and send her to a trainer in the spring.

Or better yet, sell her and actually buy a horse that is suitable for what you want to do.

Harsh response? Yes. But I don't appreciate you coming on here bashing your poor horse, when the horse is not the one at fault. Sure, might be the saddle fit. It's possible. But even so, I would bet that most of it is 1)lack of training 2) inexperienced riders 3) horse not mentally ready.

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