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        12-05-2013, 09:04 PM
      #51
    Weanling
    I'm going to be put my two cents in.

    She's not mentally ready, period. Take it from someone with an ankle that has been reconstructed due to me ignoring my youngsters glaring "I'm not READY!" (I thought she was being a putz and was acting out because she didn't want to work) She was four years old, FOUR YEARS OLD, and still wasn't mentally ready. A conclusion I came to after I was laying in a hospital bed, waiting for my turn in surgery to rebuild my crushed talus bone. Coupled with a broken knee. The mare flipped over on me out on a trail, hadn't even made it five minutes out of the barn before she lost it. This is a horse I had ridden out on the trail multiple times, but her "acting out" was nothing big, but big enough I should've paid attention to.

    I did ground work with her from 11 months old onward. I left her alone for six months before she turned three, did lots of work with a saddle on her back (but no rider). I put one very uneventful ride on her when she turned 3 years old, but still felt I wanted to wait. I was in no rush. I turned her out for a year and "forgot" about her (intentionally of course).

    She turned four and I started ground work again, gradually working into riding. She started to rear. Saddle fitment wasn't an issue, teeth wasn't an issue, pain eliminated, she was acting out because she couldn't mentally handle what was being asked of her. On top of that a friend of mine thought it was thrilling to teach her to rear from the ground while I wasn't around *sigh*.

    Either sell this horse if you don't have the time to let them mature, or wait yourself. You'll do more damage forcing a mentally immature horse than you probably will be aware of, and when you are, it'll be too late. Heaven forbid at yours or your girlfriends health expense.
         
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        12-05-2013, 09:26 PM
      #52
    Started
    I will be the voice of dissent in this situation. I think its a good idea for the OP to sell/trade this horse. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to have a horse you feel you could get hurt on. The reason that you feel this way can be as unique an individual as you are. I think its a situation of wrong horse/wrong person/wrong time. I think its better for both the horse and the owner to part ways. I think its better to trade/sell when you are starting to think that things are not working out than to allow a bad trend to continue. The horse has a chance this way, she is young and she might be someone else's dream horse. I had that happen with an arabian mare I owned, she was spooky. I did not trust her and we did not mesh at all. She was rehomed with someone who thinks she is the best horse ever. They find all the spookyness funny and not annoying. They have a different mind set about her behavior and so they get along really well.

    If the OP keeps the horse than a trainer needs to be called. The horse can't be allowed to learn/ practice the behavior of bucking and getting a person off. The OP does not (and if I am wrong correct me) want to train a horse. There is nothing wrong with that and getting a broke horse so that they and their gf can go for a ride is a fine idea. A green horse is a hard horse to ride. Horses are supposed to be fun and if its not fun than you should change something.
         
        12-05-2013, 09:29 PM
      #53
    Green Broke
    OP, I agree with your decision to find "a more appropriate" horse for your girlfriend. A two year old, as has been stated repeatedly is a lot of work and needs a rider that can aid it over all the hurdles that it will encounter. And I do not mean just physical, but mental hurdles.

    What saddens me for the filly is that she may now have the undeserved reputation/stamp of "unpredictable bucker" and a very sad and miserable future.

    Best of luck to you, and prayers out to the filly.
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        12-05-2013, 09:30 PM
      #54
    Showing
    There is a big assumption that weight shifting was the cause of the horse's reaction. Horses, altho they don't see well (think camera a little out of focus) they have marvellous hearing and sense of smell. She may have felt concern about something she could be smelling or hearing and with her mind on that, the weight shift may have startled her. It is imperative that rider's give their horses their full attention and not concern themselves with chatting. The horse's ears tell us a great deal as well as a change in elevation of the head. If the ears are forward and the head is rising the horse is going on high alert. It is at this time that the rider must distract the horse to regain it's attention. When you ride, have your gf start circling the filly at the walk, small circles, a change of direction the allow her to walk on, maybe 5 or 6 strides, another circle, then straight. Another 5 or 6 and do serpentines. This teaches the filly to keep her mind on what the rider is asking. Keep the rides short, 30 min max. Have your gf do these exercises with the horse on every ride. Never mind about riding in to town, ride where it's best to do the circling.
         
        12-05-2013, 09:49 PM
      #55
    Banned
    If OP wants to trade her off for better broke horse that's great your girl freind needs a safe horse to ride. Please don't label your filly as an unpretidtable bucker she's not. She's just green and mentally not ready to do whats asked.

    Sell her as green broke and be honest about her so she's got the best possible chance at a good life.
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        12-05-2013, 09:53 PM
      #56
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by spirit88    
    If OP wants to trade her off for better broke horse that's great your girl freind needs a safe horse to ride. Please don't label your filly as an unpretidtable bucker she's not. She's just green and mentally not ready to do whats asked.

    Sell her as green broke and be honest about her so she's got the best possible chance at a good life.
    That would be the ethical thing to do, and not what would spare a bruised ego. Not necessarily directing this at the OP, but I do know of a few people that chose to label the horse to save their pride. Very sad.
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        12-05-2013, 10:08 PM
      #57
    Weanling
    I agree, I wouldn't call her unpredictable as far as selling goes. I am not in any way saying you are wrong about that... she may seem unpredictable and the random buck from adjusting the saddle would certainly make me wonder. TRUTH be told we were not there and we don't have the knowledge of knowing that pretty young horse! We also cannot come any where near to giving spot on advice. We don't really now you guys either or your knowledge.

    It all gets so confusing.

    In case you really like that filly FYI. I would consider buying that horse if I was looking... not for a lot as green broke, and even with knowing she bucked at first in training and once on the trails. If I knew she only had one week on her I would consider that possibly normal.... I would at least go look at her. Last year I bought a horse that was terrified of people. She was sensitive natured so I had to be specific in how I treated her and carefully picked a trainer... she has turned out awesome. She required TLC. I learned later she broke a guys ribs... Opps!! I already owned her, loved her, and dealt properly with her trying to strike me ONCE half heartedly... she was also two when I got her. She turned into a nice horse so far and completely came around!! Hope the story helps!

    I hope you gained some knowledge... and everything works out. Good luck to you!!!

    Also: Bring a trainer with or good horse friends when you look at horses. Often times I find someone else sees things I missed when I look at a horse and vis versa
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        12-06-2013, 02:43 AM
      #58
    Yearling
    Selling probably is best for the gf. Not sure it is best for the horse, as you have already taught the horse a really bad habit. Really, to do right by the horse, you should send it to a trainer in the spring.

    It is a liability to sell the horse without telling someone it bucks. You can get sued. Do not in any way overstate this horse's training to make more $$. Trained trail horses are going for $500 around here. I doubt you will make much. You'll be lucky to sell.

    Someone I knew bought a 2 yr old that had some training from a rescue. For its second ride, he trailered it someplace new. #1 stressor - trailering #2 stressor being someplace new #3 new rider #4 riding with a group of horses it did not know.

    Guess what? The horse did great. Not a problem the entire ride. About a week or two later, he trailered the horse someplace else. In addition to the first few stressors there was a storm front coming and it was windy and rainy. The horse reared up on him in the middle of the ride and fell on his leg. The week after that he sent the horse back to the rescue.

    Let me just say, if I had room for another horse I would have taken that horse in an instant. The fact that the horse tolerated so much on it's first few rides (and with so little training) says so much about it's personality. That horse may be able to walk on a trail ride (and be just fine), but he really needed to be in the roundpen to teach him proper cues.

    Horses do not buck to be mean- they buck because either they are scared or something is hurting. A horse does not spin either- unless they are terrified (not including reining horses here).

    "it sounds like our horse can't be cured of the bucking"

    It sounds like this trainer has no idea what he is talking about. I don't believe it for an instant... I've started many horses over the years. Most of the training I do is starting- even mustangs from the wild.
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        12-06-2013, 02:52 AM
      #59
    Yearling
    I would suggest you start taking both horses on hand walks together.

    Try going 5 or 10 minutes down the road, let the horses graze a bit, walk back, turn around and go another 5 or 10 minutes down the road and walk back.

    Watch the 2 yr old. If she gets upset, let her graze (self soothe). If she gets really upset, back her, make her sidepass and pay attention to the person handling her.

    It does wonders for young horses to get out on hand walks- it is less stressful than being ridden, and they can get used to the sights/sounds.

    I even do this with older horses- usually by myself without a second horse. It does wonders on getting the horse to listen to you, and letting them enjoy grazing someplace else is a very positive motivator.

    A very good trainer taught me this method, and I find it very useful when dealing with a horse with separation anxiety, or with a baby who needs exposure like your 2 yr old.
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        12-06-2013, 03:38 AM
      #60
    Started
    No horse is incurable. And she is a Baby! I Have not started horses but my bf brakes blm mustangs and he had his paint scene a weenling. He also works with horses that buck, rear and just about anything elce you can think of. Thanks to him at least 10 horses have missed becomeing dog food.) His horse never bucked because he waited untill he was ready, and he worked with him EVERY day. His mustang was not ready untill he was 5 and is now a solid trail and barrel horse at 7. Don't blame the horse for not being ready, she's a baby and babies do what babies do, buck, play and are easily confused. I don't agree with braking 2 year olds. They are not physically and mentally ready. And yes the horse world has shows for 2-3 year olds but take one good look at race horses. How many make it off the track without some mentally of physical issue? I have known 3 that came off the track and you can't tie them up without them flipping over. One got to the point that she would just slam herself onto her side (by suddenly sitting down or just flinging herself on her side while standing) with her rider still on her. The mare was mentally gone.

    The filly is not ready, plain and simple. Just let her be a baby for 4-6 months and try again with a trainer. I bet she would be more willing to learn and not buck.
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