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post #1 of 20 Old 02-09-2009, 12:48 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy In serious need of help

My pony suffers from a lack of respect, she can be really well behaved when she wants to be but as soon as she doesn't want to do something she just packs in; bucking,bolting, jumping up and down and generally using her weight against us (all half a tonne of her!!). Her previous owner let her do as she liked and now we've tried to make her do what we want to do it isn't working.

She's now started jumping up and down whilst leading her and as i'm only a teenager and my mum has a knocked confidence due to when the mare kicked her we can't really manage her. But I don't want to lose her . My mum says we should sell her or even worse have her put down!

So all I really want to know is there any way to alter her respect issues? Or alter her using her weight against us?

I really need help as I can't face losing this somewhat mad but absolutely gorgeous mare please help

Thank you
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post #2 of 20 Old 02-09-2009, 12:55 PM
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that's a tough situation. If you and your family are not able to give her the training she needs, I would get a trusted trainer who can help you correct her problems.

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post #3 of 20 Old 02-09-2009, 12:58 PM
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There are ways of dealing with this issue, however because of your age and your mom's confidence issues, I highly recommend you don't. This pony has picked up on the fear and it is bolstering it's bad behaviour.

Please find a trainer that will work with this pony and you and your mom to curb this lack of respect and dangerous behaviour. It probably won't take very long at all, with an experienced knowledgeable trainer.

Good luck!
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post #4 of 20 Old 02-09-2009, 01:13 PM
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I"m going to agree with Walkamile a good trainer should be able to curb this behavior in a short time. I would also make sure that you too can work with the trainer and pony so you can learn the good habits to maintain the efforts of the trainer.

Good Luck and be careful!!

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post #5 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 02:58 AM
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Lunging!!

My mare went lame for a few weeks and when she got back into work she was very piggy and had no respect. I spent a few days lunging her twice a day and at first she would jump around and kick etc thinking "you bitch, you're making me work" but by the end of it she was back to her normal, chilled out self. It re-established respect and dominance.

It worked for me, maybe you could try it =]
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post #6 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 05:46 AM
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Well, theres an alternative. You can put your ma down instead! IM KIDDING!!! (put the phone down...I tried with mine...they wont do it! :P)

Seriously, you have an exterme case there. I've said it before, and I'll say it now...I'm NOT an eqine expert!! So take all of this with a grain..OK?

BUT...at my barn (not my horse, but nonethe less) we had a horse who was...."tempermental", if I may say....to the point the owner was going to have her put down. (another barn occupant called her Uber-mare!!)

The "meat truck" was going to pick her up on Friday...it's now Tuesday when I heard of this. Wed morning, I went out to work with her, expecting an easy task....LOL!! Not easy....but work able. I lunged her...she disobeyed...she bucked....she reared...even charged me. Heck, at one point, it crossed my mind "why bother!!". I'm glad I persisted.

Now I'm SURE I'm going to get flack for this....but here it goes. I attempeted (key word, there) to work with this horse...wasn't happening. So, I went down in the cow barn, and got (don't know what it's called, but it's a chain that goes over the back part of the nose - hooks onto the far side of the"halter", goes over the steers nose, and comes out the near side of the "halter") We'll call it the beef chain. After 10 minutes or so of struggling (10 min doesn't sound long....just ask my trampled toes how long that is!!) I got a halter and the beef chain on her. As soon as I got it on her and walked her into the yard (there's no round pen or arena here..) she decided to act up.

I took it upon myself, that no matter how "mean" I thought the beef chain was, nor how "stern" I thought I was, I decided that I was going to be boss of us two. Period.

She tried to bolt...well, the chain made short work of that. THEN she tried to run me down. Even though I am smaller than she is, I acted like I couldn't be pushed around. She charged me once (danged near ran me over, but I kept my ground ~~barely shhh~~ and within 15 minutes or so, she semi respected me. This was probably noonish, Wed. By 3pm, the owners showed up (unrelated reasons) and were astounded that I had her out...moreless she was semi listening to me.

The next day (Thurs) I spent most of the day with her. At first I caught her, got the halter on, and "beef chain", and started working with her...working, I mean remedial....walk...whoa....away...come, and that's about it. By noonish, she was doing so well, I though, "hey, lets try without the "beef chain". So I did....) Well, long story short, the owner came home later that eve (past 5pm). It was too late to cancel the "meat truck". But the owner was ASTOUNDED by what progress was made. Mind you, This horse wasn't oober calm now, it wasn't a spanish schooling expert or anything, but she was workable, calm, and respectable (I'll get to the details in a sec). The owner (with my begging) had decided to not have the horse put down.........but the "meat vultures" had already been called, an had an AM apointment to pick up this "problematic horse".

ANYways, Fri morning I got up early (and I can't stress early enough....early for me is noon!!). When they showed up, I was there and denied delivery. They said they had to charge either way...pickin up a horse or not. Long story made short, I (personally....remind me, the owner still owes me!!) paid the "wagon", even though they left horse less.

Longggggg story made short, the horse went on to be trained to ride on trails. Nothing special, but none the less, she's a good horse - kids even ride her now. She's respectful, obedient, and all the things NObody ever dreamed of.


Wheww....sorry so long winded. Moral of the story....i DID NOT work a miracle (trust me, Im NOT that good yet...wanna be, but I'm not..) Maybe it was fate. In the end, all I can say is that I asserted my dominence to this horse, showed her I (or any human, for that fact) am master, and shall be obeyed. Like I said, I'm sure I'm going to get flack about the "beef chain", but it was a tool I used to work with her. BTW, I never hit or threatened this horse (god knows, there were times it crossed my mind!! Not really, but there WAS frustartion!), but there was also alot of praise - for even the slightest right doing. When we started Wed. Morning, I thought numerous times that horse was going to own me (er whatever ya wanna call it), and by Fri, she respected me as a "handler" (I'll use THAT term loosely!) By Fri morning, she thought I was bigger than she was.

Cliff notes - spend time. Don't allow him/her to push you around. Period. Be assertive (NOT mean!). If this scenerio isn't possible, hire a trainer! I don't wanna hear "I can't afford it"...We'll take up a collection!!! What ever you do, s/he doesn't deserved to be put down.

For the record - in case anyone is wondering - if you look in one of my other threads in Horse Pictures I posted about me and Neslons first ride - she would be the Bay mare that's walking in front of me and Neslon....just an FYI.

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post #7 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 08:17 AM
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If you have no experience dealing with problem horse (and sounds like it's the case) better do NOT try it. You can be hurt really bad. If it's overall nice pony and doesn't have any health issues then ask your mom to put money in GOOD trainer, the one who deals with PROBLEM horses (not just polishing certain technique). Usually one month with the good trainer teaches them respect towards people on ground.
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post #8 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 08:31 AM
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RT, that is a good story - well told, amusing, and informative. A decent trainer should be able to cure the mare or at the least, make her manageable and safe.

In this particular case, if a trainer is not available or not possible, then the next option is to sell the pony. I don't believe that the OP, and certainly not mom, is ready and able to train the pony.

I'm a firm believer that new owners make many mistakes in buying their first horse and further that mistake by "falling in love" with her. It is way too typical and we see it all the time on the forum. At this time (I'm sure it is in the UK as well as here) there are a LOT of good horses out there who are safe mounts and will teach a rider instead of an inexperienced rider trying to teach a problem horse. That is ALWAYS a recipe for disaster with a problematic horse.

My recommendation is to sell the horse (full disclosure about her problems) and move on to a horse that will teach you. I've seen way too many potentially good horsepeople become discouraged and turned off to horses because of an unmanageable horse early on. Get a confidence builder instead of what you have.

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post #9 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 09:06 AM
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Ever heard the saying "Green on green makes black and blue?" It refers to an inexperienced rider on an inexperienced horse ending up bruised and miserable. I'd say it's a similar case, though the pony may not be 'green' perse. Probably worse. She knows that she can take advantage of you.

Whatever the case, do not put her down without giving it a fair shot with a trainer. I'd say that you should even try to resell her to someone more experienced before halfway considering putting her down. Though if you do sell her, you need to make it absolutely crystal clear that she is a challenge to work with and requires someone who knows what they're doing... and you'll need to be prepared to accept less for her than you paid (which is still better than losing money paying for having her put down).
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post #10 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 09:16 AM
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Lunging!!

My mare went lame for a few weeks and when she got back into work she was very piggy and had no respect. I spent a few days lunging her twice a day and at first she would jump around and kick etc thinking "you bitch, you're making me work" but by the end of it she was back to her normal, chilled out self. It re-established respect and dominance.

It worked for me, maybe you could try it =]
I would say that is pretty good advice.
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