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  • What dose it mean when a horse has been flipped

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    12-04-2009, 12:15 AM
I will try to post some pictures of driving from the side of the horse for you tomorrow.
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    12-04-2009, 01:02 AM
Do you mean long lining?
I was taught that long lining and ground driving were two different things, but some people call them the same thing, so im never sure.
We may have an error in communication haha
    12-04-2009, 11:47 AM
With ground driving you should be far enough behind that even if she did flip you've got lots room to get out of the way.

You can see in this one that I'm about 10 feet behind him but I still have lots of rein over my shoulder if I need it.

By the way this was his first time being ground driven and it took about five minutes for him to get the idea.

Marecare I would love to see pictures of doing this from the side.
    12-04-2009, 11:57 AM
I am waiting for someone to show up and run the camera here.

The old timers would always run the reins from the side in many cases and then there would be a fellow running the tool on the back so the thing is you start with just one line and work the horse till they are real comfortable and as you ad the second line they learn to respond to the OUTSIDE pull and learn to kind of drop their head a little and turn.
This is the start and then you add a saddle and then in some cases a rider to just sit there as you turn the horse and whoa them and back them up.

This helps the horse get the idea in a low stress environment and nobody get killed getting on the horse too soon.
    12-05-2009, 04:32 PM
Here are a few pictures that lead up to the long lines.
The horse has to get the idea to follow the rope.
This is a 7yo mustang mare that has never done any driving and she is in a halter.
I start with a single line and progress to two after the horse understands some basics.

    12-05-2009, 04:58 PM
Once I have the horse following the line or rope I can spin the horse and guide the direction so the second line is added.
I drive the horse along and add outside line pressure and the horse turns.
It takes a little getting use to to balance the lines but the reward is worth it.
The horse is connected to you for every step and learns to look for the next cue.

    12-05-2009, 05:36 PM
If you want to introduce sidereins ALWAYS only put the outside rein on for the first few goes otherwise they, like your mare did, can flip themselves.
I always run the lunge rein through the bit and attach it to the roller, then do the outside siderein up. If the horse goes to rear, you have more control with the lunge running through the bit as you can pull their head into their side and stop the flip.
    12-05-2009, 05:48 PM
When the horse starts to look for the cue and following the line, they want to stay with it in the turn and also the ground tie.

    12-07-2009, 11:45 AM
I see you double the horse around to get them used to following the rope. I totally forgot about that. I did that quite a few times with the young guy I have. The look on his face after he went all the way around was too funny. It was like "look at what I can do".

Great picture's. Very helpful.

That sure is beautiful country.
    12-07-2009, 12:05 PM
Oh my gosh, what a stunning horse STUNNING

Ground driving is absolutely fantastic. I don't know of many english trainers who even do it anymore, but I know I start off all my youngsters with ground lines. That's how I can get the "woah" and my turns figure out before I get on and start riding.

Having those lines also helps desensitize them to a lot of things. I absolutely love ground lines, I really do.

Those were great photos.

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