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post #1 of 26 Old 03-08-2014, 06:38 PM Thread Starter
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She wont stop putting her tongue over the bit

So my little green Morgan mare has a habit I just discovered today. She loves and I mean loves to put her tongue over the bit. She used to be ridden in a full cheek snaffle and a D ring snaffle, she put her tongue over these (I was just told today), but when I bought her I discovered she had a low pallet, so I switched to a mullen mouth egg but bit. She is very nice is this bit.... On the ground. Once ontop of her, she played with it until she could get her tongue over it, then once she got her tongue over it, she kept opening her mouth and stuff because of course that couldn't be comfortable. I got off, fixed it. I tried dropping the bit a little lower, it was to low, she wouldn't stop playing with the bit. So I put it up one more then it usually is, and that was to high. So I returned it to the original placement, got back on. Then she kept trying to do it, and everytime I asked her to turn she shook her head (like she had bugs on her but didn't lol). So I had my mom sit on her and ride her while I lunged her so I could see it from the ground. She didn't do it then. But after speaking with the prev. Owners. This is her habit. I don't know what to do at the moment. I don't want to put her in a bitless bridle, or anything like that. That really isn't a option if I can avoid it. She is also going to be a western and english horse. But western first.. :/ Help?
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For horses with a bad habit of doing that, I've found that using a ported bit seems to help because they can't get their tongue over it. Eventually, they just give up trying, IME.

I really like bits like these because they are ported...but they have the rings at the mouth so you can use it as a "snaffle" during training. Once the horse has progressed in their training enough, you simply move your reins down to the bottom rings and you're good to go.
Amazon.com: Coronet Copper Wide Port Reiner Horse Bit, 5-Inch: Sports & Outdoors


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I really wish I could find one with a sweetwater port (like pictured in both above) that also had a roller and billy allen mouth, but this is about as close as I've found to that without going custom
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What about trying a flash noseband? She might not be able to get the tongue over the bit if she can't open her mouth wide enough.
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What about trying a flash noseband? She might not be able to get the tongue over the bit if she can't open her mouth wide enough.
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Maybe, but if she does and can't fix it she may freak out, which would be bad. And I am trying to figure out how silly I would look with that on a western horse, until she goes english which wont be soon.
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If it were me, I'd get the bit out of the way of her tongue rather than force her mouth shut. Another option would be a bit with a roller...my mare does her best in either a ported bit, or one with a roller. If she has neither, she'll shift the bit around, chew on it, shift it some more. She simply fusses less with a port, and she seems content to play gently with a roller instead of shoving the whole bit around.

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Or possibly something like this:



For a port, the ones smrobs gave are hard to beat..and I've spent enough trying to know!

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For horses with a bad habit of doing that, I've found that using a ported bit seems to help because they can't get their tongue over it. Eventually, they just give up trying, IME.

I really like bits like these because they are ported...but they have the rings at the mouth so you can use it as a "snaffle" during training. Once the horse has progressed in their training enough, you simply move your reins down to the bottom rings and you're good to go.
Amazon.com: Coronet Copper Wide Port Reiner Horse Bit, 5-Inch: Sports & Outdoors


Amazon.com: Abetta Half Breed Sweetwater Bit - Stainless Steel - 5": Sports & Outdoors


I really wish I could find one with a sweetwater port (like pictured in both above) that also had a roller and billy allen mouth, but this is about as close as I've found to that without going custom
Amazon.com: Abetta Elbow Port Training Bit - Blued Steel - 5": Sports & Outdoors
But with shanks, I feel this would be to much, since she is very very green.
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If it were me, I'd get the bit out of the way of her tongue rather than force her mouth shut. Another option would be a bit with a roller...my mare does her best in either a ported bit, or one with a roller. If she has neither, she'll shift the bit around, chew on it, shift it some more. She simply fusses less with a port, and she seems content to play gently with a roller instead of shoving the whole bit around.

Roller:



Or possibly something like this:



For a port, the ones smrobs gave are hard to beat..and I've spent enough trying to know!
Maybe, how would this work on a horse who can't be ridden in a joint bit? Low pallet and it slams into the roof of her mouth.
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But with shanks, I feel this would be to much, since she is very very green.
Yes, if you were to put your reins on the bottom rings, it would be too much for her.

However, if you put your reins on the rings here (where the red arrow points), then they function exactly like a snaffle bit. There is no leverage and nothing to confuse her. I've used bits like that on a horse on their second or third ride with no problems at all.
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The one on top has a mouthpiece like this Jr Cow Horse that I've used a lot. It would use very little room:



And in fact, you can use the Jr Cow Horse as a snaffle by attaching the reins to the mouthpiece. As a curb, the short shanks keep pressures low. I've used it with Mia like a snaffle several times.

They also make what are essentially mullens with a roller. Mine arrived today, and I started a thread. The single ride so far doesn't give me much to relate:

Review of Greg Darnall Billy Allen Snaffle D-ring

Just eyeballing it, it looks to me like a mullen takes up a fair bit of room. However, they angle the pressure flatter on the bars than a single-joint snaffle, and much flatter than a double joint snaffle, so the improved behavior may come from where the pressure is applied in the mouth.

As this X-ray shows, a double jointed snaffle can but a LOT of pressure on the tongue, and I've read that a lot of horses fussing with the bit are really trying to relieve pressure on their tongue:


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For a western horse I'd try smorbs idea. However, I don't think a flash is a bad idea and she's green. She doesn't know or care if she's an English horse or a Western horse.

I also think trail and error for a better bit may be good, if you think it at all may be from a dislike of the bit (and plenty of green horse need to get used to the bit even if they like the bit itself)
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