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        03-08-2014, 07:34 PM
      #11
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    I LOVE the Mylar bits for horses that do not like tongue pressure or get their tongues over the bit.

    When viewed from above, these bits also have a curved mouth that keeps them off of the horse's tongue.

    I'll bet she would do just fine in a bit like this.

    I really like the shank bits with the bushing that lets you ride them 2 handed, but for a Greenie, I would like the Dee bit like pictured.
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        03-08-2014, 07:56 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    I was just speaking with a trainer who is local and a family friend of mine. She says she seems to have multiple things going on, some holes in training. And that a good bet would be to take her back to ground work, fix any and all holes there. But make her wear her bridle a lot. With no reins, and not when eating. And she will figure out that putting her tongue over it is very uncomfortable and there isnt a reward for it. Along with continuing to lunge her, and ground drive her often. She said this would be a good start. Im willing to put the time in. And because numerous bits have been tried on her and she does this, I would rather not switch bits to cover the problem, but to actually try to solve the problem.
         
        03-08-2014, 08:23 PM
      #13
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    If a horse does not like tongue pressure and you don't switch them into a comfortable bit, it is like forcing a person wear shoes that do not fit. It is not 'switching bits to cover a problem'. It is doubtful that anyone has ever put a bit on her that keeps pressure off of her tongue.

    I discovered this years ago and had 2 bits hand-made that kept the bit off of horses' tongues. It made the difference between having a horse that was competitive in the show ring or having a horse that did not even make a decent saddle horse to ride around the pasture. Now, there has been so much improvement in the designing of bits, that one can buy a bit that works as well as a hand-made $300.00 bit on about any horse.

    Everyone here knows that I do not accommodate any crap from a spoiled horse, but I will do anything to make a horse's mouth comfortable with the bit I put in it since I expect the very best responses possible from the horse. It is the least I can do.

    Some corners I will cut. Making sure that I have a comfortable bit on a horse is not one of them.
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        03-08-2014, 08:26 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    She is fine with this bit, the pressure from it. Until you are riding her. That is where the problem starts, so I believe it is nervousness more then discomfort. She ground drives fine in it, but under saddle. She starts to fuss with it.
         
        03-08-2014, 09:21 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    She fusses even with a loose rein?

    Then I'd go the flash/port route. Dos omething so she CAN't get her toungue over.

    My Icelandic used to really mouth the bit (not a green horse ridden in the mild bit she came in and her bridle has a drop noseband. It got really annoying so I did the drop noseband relatively tight (not absurdly just more than the norm) once or twice and she hasn't done it since. She is happy with the bit and will mouth it in a normal fashion. Sometimes you just need to break the habit.
         
        03-08-2014, 09:38 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Yogiwick, if going back and me personally doing all her ground work and trying to find and fix any and all holes doesn't work I will. She seems to forget to yield to pressure under saddle as well. So that's another reason I am going to search for holes
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        03-08-2014, 10:45 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Good place to start.

    (Not saying to do exactly what I did, just giving an example of a similar situation. However my mare is not green and I was able to rule out a lot of other factors you can't (I know she likes the bit, I know she responds well to xyz with the bit etc))
         
        03-09-2014, 03:33 AM
      #18
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    A flash noseband will never stop a horse getting its tongue over the bit. Try shutting your mouth with teeth clamped and move your tongue around, you can still move it freely, so can a horse!
    I like the Myler ported bits and found them very effective.
         
        03-09-2014, 08:59 AM
      #19
    Banned
    Have had this up before.
    Dale Myler #1 interview - YouTube
    Itīs a series.
         
        03-09-2014, 09:06 AM
      #20
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    Originally Posted by Larissa    
    So my little green Morgan mare has a habit I just discovered today. She loves and I mean loves to put her tongue over the bit. She used to be ridden in a full cheek snaffle and a D ring snaffle, she put her tongue over these (I was just told today), but when I bought her I discovered she had a low pallet, so I switched to a mullen mouth egg but bit. She is very nice is this bit.... On the ground. Once ontop of her, she played with it until she could get her tongue over it, then once she got her tongue over it, she kept opening her mouth and stuff because of course that couldn't be comfortable. I got off, fixed it. I tried dropping the bit a little lower, it was to low, she wouldn't stop playing with the bit. So I put it up one more then it usually is, and that was to high. So I returned it to the original placement, got back on. Then she kept trying to do it, and everytime I asked her to turn she shook her head (like she had bugs on her but didn't lol). So I had my mom sit on her and ride her while I lunged her so I could see it from the ground. She didn't do it then. But after speaking with the prev. Owners. This is her habit. I don't know what to do at the moment. I don't want to put her in a bitless bridle, or anything like that. That really isn't a option if I can avoid it. She is also going to be a western and english horse. But western first.. :/ Help?
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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    I LOVE the Mylar bits for horses that do not like tongue pressure or get their tongues over the bit.

    When viewed from above, these bits also have a curved mouth that keeps them off of the horse's tongue.

    I'll bet she would do just fine in a bit like this.

    I really like the shank bits with the bushing that lets you ride them 2 handed, but for a Greenie, I would like the Dee bit like pictured.
    Excalent bits! Have used them for years. Imarkt differance when tried to go over to another straight port bit, horses started working the toungh, dribbling and fighting, as soon as I got the bridle over the ears they couldnt spit the dern things out fast enough.

    Billy Allen and a couple of others have the same desighn.
         

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