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    08-21-2009, 06:44 PM
She's so confused.

Okay, I haven't been on in a while sooo.

Here goes, Lizzy understands the lope when in English tack. And understands the canter in western tack. Help.

Basically, I'm saying, she's a western horse in the English tack (bit- Kimberwick), but in western, she prefers to canter, my bit, I'm struggling with actually deciding what it is, but usually she's in either a full cheek snaffle, tom thumb, or a bosal. I usually show in the full cheek. How do I get her to lope western on a loose rein? Cause if I hold her back, she lopes. If not, she's basically flying...
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    08-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Green Broke
Curb chain. Your horse slows down with the curb chain. If you want her to be faster in english I suggest you put her in a d-ring. For western a very and I mean very soft curb. Lots of horses rely on the curb chain to help hold themselves such as Roman. Ask Roman to lope in a snaffel he either flys or 4beats. Put him in his western bit he lopes correctly.

Like iv told you before, consistancy. Rollbacks will help her a ton. She has the hocks to spin so teach her. If she starts going too fast at the lope stop her throw her in reverse and pivot her around and lope right off the opposite direction and repeat. DO NOT teach her that she only slows down when you pull back. Youll be holding her up when you show and judges don't appreciate that much. Lope her off on a loose rein, she is speedy, stop her back her up, and lope her off in the same direction. Don't teach her to lean on your hands. Its a commen mistake with alot of people. Also the stopping and backing will teach her to work off her hind end more, and teach her to be more respinsive, along with rollbacks. I would practice this in drawreins. Infact I would have Lizzy live in draw reins if I wer you. I know you know how to use them correctly and not lean off them so do it. Once she gets the concept take the draw reins off. And work, I work Roman in drawreins when im western, because he tends to lean on his neck too much while loping and the drawreins re-enforce the fact that your neck stays still and your hind does all the work.
    08-21-2009, 08:01 PM
I would use the Full Cheek Snaffle. Idk anything about Bosals but I used to use a Tom Thumb bit on my Tennessee Walking Horse and he hated it. I read this article about how confusing it is to the horse because when you pull back it destributes uneven pressure and it jostles around in their mouth.

I had the same problem (if I'm understanding you correctly, I might not be) with Spirit when I switched from the Tom Thumb to the Eggbutt Snaffle. The Tom Thumb kinda made him collect himself but it didn't teach him to collect on his own, so when I switched he burst into the canter.

My trainer taught me to disengage his hindquarters and after he's good at that, turn it into a one rein stop. It has worked REALLY well with him. He doesn't burst into the canter anymore and his rack is SO much smoother and slower and way more controlled.
    08-21-2009, 08:07 PM
Green Broke
I hate Tom Thumbs. I would ban fromt he entire horse world if I could.
    08-21-2009, 08:12 PM
I don't have much of an answer, just wanted to say "howdy"
I've been taking my filly through the transitions. I started her in a rope halter to a bitless bridle then a D ring snaffle. She started with a Myler level one curb bit today. I don't plan on moving her back and forth between bits. When she learns enough its time to move up to another level (another reason I love Myler)
If she is going well in a snaffle it may be time to move up to a full curb with a solid or jointed (not split like a snaffle) mouthpiece.
I'm adding a page from Myler you might find useful
    08-22-2009, 07:56 AM
Heyyyy Vida!
Spirit, I show western pleasure, its not a matter of getting her into it, she always starts out slow, its just that with time, she continually adds speed.

Tara, show me a picture of what you're talking about lol. I get the movements and what not, but the bit exactly?

Oh, and I rode in the full cheek yesterday, and she loped wonderfully, but it was on a tightish rein.
    08-22-2009, 08:00 AM
The answer isn't the bit. I'm starting to feel like a broken record but the answer is never the bit. The answer is never the bit. The answer is never the bit. It sounds to me like your horse doesn't have a lot of softness and feel through the face. Can you ask for his nose at a walk, trot or canter? If not you need to get that first. Also you need to get him to rate with your body. Start at a walk and ride actively then quit riding. Sit back on your pockets, soften through your back and say whoa. If he doesn't stop pick up your reins and stop him. Use some force so he has motivation to listen a little harder next time. Move on to the trot only after you have mastered it at the walk. The point of the whole exercise is to get your horse to slow down when you slow your body down on him. I hope this makes sense if want more explanation PM me.
    08-22-2009, 02:43 PM
Yes, I can ask for her nose. I don't see any sense in using force, at least not on my western pleasure horse, because then when I show, if I don't have everything down 100% it DOES come down to the bit, and me. I have fair in less than two days, right now its the bit. I'm not going to put any force on it because then she won't stop on a dime like I need it. She becomes resistant to the bit, and when I add force she just throws her head in the air.
    08-22-2009, 02:46 PM
I suppose all of what I'm saying seems confusing because she does listen to me and everything and actually her "lope" is quite nice, it's just it needs to be a smidge slower for me to be satisfied and everything to be ideal.
She's not cantering but she's not loping slowly. Or at least slow enough. And I'm not trying to get her to 4-beat or trope or anything, she could honestly just move a little slower for it to be a true lope.

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