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        06-03-2009, 12:28 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    He's a pushover
         
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        06-03-2009, 01:49 PM
      #12
    Showing
    I'm sorry, but rearing to me is the absolute opposite of "cool." I think it is irresponsable to teach a horse to rear - on command or not - unless the horse is with a PROFESSIONAL trainer.
    Why?
    Most people don't keep their horses forever. When I was your age, I thought my mare (Dancer, ironically) was going to be mine forever and ever. Then I outgrew her. Thank God she was never taught bad habits.
    What if your horses have to be sold for one reason or another? What if the new owners accidentally cue the horse to rear, and they end up getting hurt? What if the horse is sold on, and even though you told the first people that the horse rears on command, they don't tell the new buyers, and the horse rears and hurts someone?
    So much can go wrong with rearing.
    Your horse, the one in your avatar, is super cute.. I would hate to think she'd end up somewhere bad because of her rearing habit.

    As a trainer, I would much rather work with a horse that bucks than rears - it's DANGEROUS.

    Anyways, there's my first rant over.

    Are you girls working with a trainer? If not I strongly suggest you get one, even if it's just once a month or once every couple weeks.
    My feeling is that your friend won't listen to you because you're her age, and let's face it, we all knew everything then. Perhaps she needs someone to look up to.
    I hate to say it, but with the path she's on, she might get hurt or hurt her mare.
         
        06-03-2009, 03:19 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    I would definitely find someone older and more experienced to talk to her. If you try, she's just going to resent you because you're horse rears. I know you taught him to rear and her horse is just doing it but she'll see it as "pot calling the kettle black". Also, if she really is beating her horse, that's abuse and she shouldn't be allowed to board at your barn. Its not fair to the mare to have someone like that scaring and hurting her. Even if your friend means well, she may need to sell this mare and get some more experience before buying a new one.
    So long explanation short, find a more experienced person at the barn and have them talk to her. Maybe find someone who has actually seen what you've seen firsthand
         
        06-03-2009, 03:24 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    I taught my horse to rear because I want to and he's my horse. It is not the opposite of cool, it's freaking awesome. It is not irresponsible, because he has specific ques to rear. Sometimes he rears because he wants to, but I know how to fix that because I had a trainer before that told me what to do and gave me lots of advice. I don't have her anymore, but Spirit is nothing like Dancer and you have no idea what his personality is.

    You're right, most people don't keep their horses forever. But there are always exceptions. I don't know if I will be an exception, but I'm planning on it. I can't outgrow him.

    It's a four part que built around a voice command that no one would say normally. You'd have to want to intentionally want to make Spirit rear to have him rear.

    Yes, thanks, he is super cute. But I'm not just going to get rid of him because he has a problem. No horse or human or anything is perfect (except God) so of course I'm going to excounter problems. I'll work through them!

    Regina isn't yet. I haven't had a lesson in months but we're working on it. Our other friend's mom is a horse owner/trainer and is going to give us lesson when she recovers from her hip replacement.

    I know she's going to hurt Dancer someday, that's why I asked this ?. I don't know what to do or what to say to her.
         
        06-03-2009, 06:56 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    So basically, you JUST admitted that he "rears when he wants to". Hence the ENTIRE purpose of not teaching a horse to rear unless you actually know what you're doing. All he's managed to learn is that he CAN do it when he wants, so yeah, that's completely the opposite of cool but it's unfortunate that it'll take him flipping over on you for you to realize that.

    As for your friend, to be frank, the fact that you actually want to BE friends with someone like that just disturbs me. You've basically told us your friendship is more important then the wellbeing of a horse being severely abused, in your words.

    But you also think rearing is cool, regardless if he "does it when he wants", so I get the feeling if your friend listens about as well as you do to educated horse people, you're both lost causes.

    Excuse me, I have a bucker who's due at the rodeo in an hour, but first I have to get on and hit him for bucking because we're schooling now and he should know better.
         
        06-03-2009, 07:01 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    How old are you?

    When she hits the horse, what does she do exactly?
         
        06-03-2009, 07:15 PM
      #17
    Foal
    I have a friend who's similar. She rides a pony who is much too small for her, and even though she uses the pony's injured leg as an excuse for her not jumping, she pounds the poor pony everyday.
    I've found the easiest way to deal with it is to find people who agree with you and let her know that what she's doing is wrong. Now whenever she does something we don't like, we shake our and all ignore her. She thinks she knows everything, but she's come to realise that some of the things she does just aren't okay. She's been riding twice as long as I have and tries to tell ME what to do too, but that never stops me from telling her what's okay and what's not.
    Hope that helps a little! Don't be afraid, just go for it! She may be annoyed to start, but if she's really your friend she'll understand.
         
        06-03-2009, 07:25 PM
      #18
    Foal
    MacabreMikolaj, keep the attitude in check will ya?? I don't know how old you are, but from that you don't sound much older.
    If she wants to teach her horse to rear, let her. If she's planning to keep it forever, then there's not much problem. Yes, she may tip over and hurt herself, and that will be the consequence. I'm sure she's aware of that and doesn't need someone with an attitude to tell her.
    As for the horse actually tipping over. Ha! In all the time I have owned horses, I had one named Storm. He never reared, and HE'S the one that tipped over on top of me. Bacardi, on the other hand, spins around, pigroots and rears and he's never tipped over. Sometimes its not the action, its the horse that's doing it.
    To SpiritJordanRivers, despite my above rant, I am concerned about your horse flipping over, but judging from that above picture he doesn't rear very high. You are probably aware of the dangers, as you have made obvious. Just be careful okay?
         
        06-03-2009, 07:43 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Macabre is spot on with what she said. There obviously is an issue since the horse is rearing on its own. That is dangerous and nobody should encourage that behavior.
         
        06-03-2009, 08:09 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    He's my horse and I'll train him to rear if I want to. You can't stop me over the internet. I'm not going to change no matter how hard you try and stop me. If I wanna teach him to rear as a trick that's freaking MY DECISION!

    As for Regina, she was my friend BEFORE I figured out what she was doing with Dancer. If she was severly abusing her, yeah, I would have stopped her. She is just Harsher than I would have ever been with her. It's easy to get frusterated w/ a horse like Dancer, and you don't know her, me, Spirit or Dancer. I was just asking a simple question about what I should do and what I should say to stop her from being so harsh.
         

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