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        06-03-2009, 09:17 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    Thank you darkwillow, at least there are some people with some sense here.

    SPIRIT DOES NOT REAR HIGH!

    That picture was the biggest freaking rear he has ever done. He might do a BUNNY HOP sometimes when he's excited and horses are galloping around him when we're on a trail ride in the pasture. Tipping over is not an issue. I never beat him if he rears off command. I'm training him and perfecting him so that he doesn't rear off command anymore, only on command.

    MacabreMikolaj and Solon, for one thing you both MISUNDERSTOOD ME and you got angry. I had a trainer help me teach him and she has told me what to do when he does rear off command which is unusual. I put that he rears when he wants too sometimes because I didn't want to say that he only rears when I ask him to, cause that would be a lie. I had to factor in those unusual times when he gets excited. He's a freaking 6 year old.
         
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        06-03-2009, 09:22 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
    I'm not angry at all. I'm responding to something you said. It's a dangerous thing to do on his own. That's why some people shouldn't teach it. Horses can rear at different heights. There is always the chance that one can tip over.

    But that's a different issue. I'm still curious about your friend. How old is she? And when she hits her horse what exactly does she do?
         
        06-03-2009, 09:26 PM
      #23
    Trained
    Quote:
    I had to factor in those unusual times when he gets excited. He's a freaking 6 year old.
    I have ridden many 4/5/6 yo horses who NEVER rear, excited or not.

    I'm planning on trick training my horse, but I won't teach him rear as I am with the general consensus that rearing is a dangerous habit and should never happen under saddle/rider. I see rearing at liberty as slightly less dangerous, there is still risk, but it is easier to communicate to a horse to NEVER rear under saddle than to NEVER rear unless I say this or unless I do that. It's a difficult distinction for horses, they don't think like people.

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    That picture was the biggest freaking rear he has ever done yet.
    ^ More accurate.
         
        06-03-2009, 09:31 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Solon, we're both 14.

    You know how some people learn from the start that it's ok to hit a horse b/c the people they learned from taught them that? That's what happened to Regina. She learned from John Walker Stables and they freaking abuse their horses, beat them, ace them and everything.

    So she thinks its ok to hit her horse because she's been taught that. I need to know something to say to her to tell her that that's not ok w/o wrecking the friendship.

    I don't think she knows as much as me even though she's been riding 2 times more.

    To answer your other ?, yesterday, the stall doors were open, the food was in the stalls, Spirit was tied up (still grooming him) and Dancer tried to go into her with Regina holding onto the leadrope. When she got her out, she tried to send her in little circles, but Dancer was confused cause she kept yanking on the lead, and hitting her with the other end. After a while Dancer reared. Then Regina thought it was cool and tried to make her rear again by doing the same thing. I know that's wrong, I see what is wrong with that! But I don't know how to tell her. She only wanted Dancer to rear that one time so that's why I put in the first post about eh rearing. She is NOT training Dancer to rear. MacabreMikolaj I get what you are saying when you say this 'Excuse me, I have a bucker who's due at the rodeo in an hour, but first I have to get on and hit him for bucking because we're schooling now and he should know better.' but I'm not doing it, Regina is and I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO SAY

    When Dancer stepped on her foot in the creek and she kept slapping her. And when Dancer reared in the area, she screamed at her and did the see-saw motion (if that's what you call it) and it scares the crap out of me cause I know how bad that is and how much it hurts her (check out youtube and type in effects of the bit)
         
        06-03-2009, 09:37 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    What I'm trying to figure is if she is hitting the horse in a way to discipline her or is she beating the horse. That is two different things. If my boy gets out of line, I'll give him a good smack on the shoulder and that's all he needs. Usually it doesn't escalate to even that. I just point my finger at him and he knows.

    But, if she's wailing on the horse with the leadrope or hitting really hard (which at her age, not sure how hard she can hit) then that's something different.

    The only thing you're going to be able to do is to get an adult involved. If there is abuse especially. An adult will be able to talk to the parents and let them know the proper way to discipline a horse. An adult will be able to recommend lessons so that she can learn how to work with Dancer and understand Dancers' reactions.

    So tell the Barn Manager what is going on. If that means you walk up to his house and bring him out to talk to do that. Better yet, tell YOUR parents and have them talk to the Barn Manager so he can talk either directly to Regina or her parents.

    If she doesn't listen to you, there's not much you can do about it except get an adult involved.
         
        06-03-2009, 09:38 PM
      #26
    Showing
    Not to play moderator but I think that now would be a good time for everyone to take a step back and take a breath.

    As for the OP. All you can really do is talk to her and tell her how you are feeling or take your concerns to either her parents or your trainer.

    Yes, he is your horse to train how you see fit but people here are just trying to make you aware of points that you may not have considered yet. They are simply trying to ensure the safety of you and your horse.

    On the other hand, Solon and Miko were just trying to point out that while you had help teaching your horse to rear and have specific cues for it, she may be trying to imitate you because you DO talk about how cool rearing is, or how cool it feels and she wants to know too. She is trying to teach her horse in the only way she knows how. You may suggest that she get a trainer to teach her to train the horse appropriately and someone that can teach her how to handle a horse without causing pain.

    I personally hate a horse that rears whether on cue or not but that is just my personal preferance. Each person has the right to train their horses to do what they want but part of being responsible is to not encourage (whether you say it bluntly or just do it by actions) people to do things that they are a long way from being ready for and things that they don't understand.
         
        06-03-2009, 09:40 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    I no longer care what people say about Spirit rearing. I know the dangers. I am fully aware of what could happen. I knew that before I ever considered teaching him. My choice, my decision, and why should you care if I get hurt, you've never met me before you don't know me. I will continue to teach him to rear even though it is dangerous because he is my horse, I make the calls and I want too. I will just ignore any other comments abotu Spirit rearing. JUST TELLING YOU.

    Different horses have different personalities. I'm pretty sure a young horse on a trail, across the creek, away from the barn, standing in the hot sun, with bugs flying around him, next to a bunch of other horses one of them being a mare in heat, watching 4 horses gallop across the creek and buck all around him, hearing whinnies of his best buddies in the distance, being an entergetic young horse who had been give little bits of alfalfa for one of the first times, standing with the owner who is bareback, and listening to the shouts of people and thundering horse hooves comming towards and away from him would get a little frisky, don't you think. He has an entergetic personality.
         
        06-03-2009, 09:44 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Smrobs, she doesn't think it's cool, she doesn't want her to rear, she's never seen me rear, once and I have mentioned it once.

    She wanted Dancer to rear one time and that was all, but I know Dancer will continue to rear and then Regina will keep hitting her to make her stop. She created a monster.
         
        06-03-2009, 09:50 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpiritJordanRivers    
    Solon, we're both 14.

    To answer your other ?, yesterday, the stall doors were open, the food was in the stalls, Spirit was tied up (still grooming him) and Dancer tried to go into her with Regina holding onto the leadrope. When she got her out, she tried to send her in little circles, but Dancer was confused cause she kept yanking on the lead, and hitting her with the other end. After a while Dancer reared. Then Regina thought it was cool and tried to make her rear again by doing the same thing. I know that's wrong, I see what is wrong with that! But I don't know how to tell her. She only wanted Dancer to rear that one time so that's why I put in the first post about eh rearing. She is NOT training Dancer to rear. MacabreMikolaj I get what you are saying when you say this 'Excuse me, I have a bucker who's due at the rodeo in an hour, but first I have to get on and hit him for bucking because we're schooling now and he should know better.' but I'm not doing it, Regina is and I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
    I'm confused, you said she thought is was cool and tried to make her rear again.

    And if you could answer the part of my post about the hitting that may give more insight on what is going on with Dancer.
         
        06-03-2009, 09:54 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Well it sounds like you have this all figured out. So if it were I, and I had a stubborn, stupid, friend who seems to have no common sense, I'd hand them a helmet. Unless she is wearing one, but I'm not sure I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. She doesn't seem that smart to me.

    As for your horse, I don't give a crap what you do. But your attitude of "I can do what I want. He's my horse" is probably transferring to your friend. Keep that in mind next time she is beating her horse. Its her horse. Right?
         

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