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post #11 of 24 Old 03-11-2013, 11:00 PM Thread Starter
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None of my trainers have ever recommended broken bits with shanks to me :/ I like Mylers or solid mouth pieces if shanks are involved
I've always been told(and seen results that straight bits are really harsh) can ya post a pic plz

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post #12 of 24 Old 03-11-2013, 11:04 PM
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It isn't so much the bit that can be harsh, but the rider's hands that are controlling it. If you have light hands and a responsive horse, then even a very harsh bit will not do damage. On the other hand, a simple snaffle can do a LOT of damage if the rider is heavy handed and does a lot of jerking. The bit you posted in itself is not an overly harsh one (eg. Twisted wire, bicycle chair, overly thin mouthpiece), as long as its being properly used. I'm assuming since a trainer suggested it to you, them the trainer must feel you are competent enough to use it without inflicting pain.
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It isn't so much the bit that can be harsh, but the rider's hands that are controlling it. If you have light hands and a responsive horse, then even a very harsh bit will not do damage. On the other hand, a simple snaffle can do a LOT of damage if the rider is heavy handed and does a lot of jerking. The bit you posted in itself is not an overly harsh one (eg. Twisted wire, bicycle chair, overly thin mouthpiece), as long as its being properly used. I'm assuming since a trainer suggested it to you, them the trainer must feel you are competent enough to use it without inflicting pain.
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I've always been told(and seen results that straight bits are really harsh) can ya post a pic plz
Myler Level 1 Sweet Iron Snaffle Flat Shank - Shank Bits from SmartPak Equine

That's a nice myler that I use regularly... Am I understanding correctly that you've been instructed that single jointed curb bits are not that harsh? Mult-way action, along with leverage, is what makes them harsh. I ride my retired wp gelding in this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=curb...bfplhyRzlBM%3A
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can you use a bitless bridle in show? If you can maybe that would be a good alternative to a hackamore if that's what your horse is use to. I use them on a few of our horses with great results.

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A shanked bit with a broken mouth piece is one of the harshest bits you can use in a horses mouth.. Next to barbed wire.

Im not against them, but I don't have a use for them either.. there are some trainers that still call a 'tom thumb' bit a 'breakin bit' or 'colt startin bit'-- really, you can train/ break a horse in with any bit you want.. I went straight from a halter to a straight bar curb bit on my mare, and that's fine, because she knows how to flex her neck correctly, and she breaks at the poll and collects instead of throwing her head in the air.. like a poster above said-- its all in the skill of the rider.. if you ride with a short shanked broken mouthed bit, so be it.. not that big a deal, but it is a harsh bit....... In the wrong hands!!

A bitless bridle would be anything from a bosal to a hackamore, lol. (Yes, I know a bosal is a hackamore, btw)

Depends on the discipline, and the class..
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There are also other factors....not every bit is good for every horse. If you use this on a horse with a wide tongue or low palate they will gate it. The nutcracker effect in heavy hands can do a lot of damage....snaffle or leverage.
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That bit is NOT a snaffle, it's a leverage bit. A very harsh one at that.
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First question; has this horse ever been ridden in a bit before? If so, what level of training had they had?

If the horse has never had a bit on before...or if they had only ever been ridden in a snaffle before going to the hack, then I'd start with something like this
Http://www.amazon.com/KORSTEEL-Copper-Oval-Loose-Snaffle/dp/B0028H5EFE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=IJMNB4BQL82N0&psc=1.


Then, when they are trained enough and ready to move up to a curb type bit, I'd go with something like one of these...

I have bits identical to these and me and my horses both really like them
Http://www.amazon.com/Francois-Gauthier-Antique-Hinged-Futurity/dp/B003ABB6TA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC_pads?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I24WKBG58Z94UP

Http://www.amazon.com/Breed-Sweetwater-Mullen-Trainning-Horse/dp/B0053EQS0Y/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I22KFSZLAEYKNI


This one is very similar but has a full copper mouth instead of sweet iron with copper inlays.
Http://www.amazon.com/Coronet-Training-Short-Shank-Copper/dp/B007T9B6QM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I29F5VN6VDEQ28


As for your original question about the "harshness" of the broken mouth curb bit (it's not a snaffle with shanks, for more information, you might want to read this thread
Bit Information (Curb and Western type bits and hackamores)), it's not so much that the bit is harsh if the hands are good, but the bit is just ill-designed.

I have tried a TT and, while my horse didn't have a problem with it (I can ride him in just about anything), I hated the lack of feel that it had. There was no subtlety with it, no nuances to my cues, it was all very blunt and rigid. I can compare it to trying to put in stitches with a sharp stick and kite string. You might get the job done if you really know what you're doing, but it won't be pretty.

I greatly value the amount of feel my horses have and I expect a great deal from them. While the bits that I generally use aren't those big, expensive, custom jobs that some do, I make sure that the mechanics of my bits are suitable to the horses that I ride and the goals that I set for them.

This is strictly a personal preference, but I thoroughly dislike bits that have shanks and a broken "snaffle" mouth, just because I don't like the feel of them. I much prefer a good ported curb, either solid or with a barrel. I like being able to pick up one rein to fine tune a movement without the entire bit collapsing on the horse's face.
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post #20 of 24 Old 03-13-2013, 08:41 PM
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Is is an Argentine "snaffle"? (Not really a snaffle since it has shanks+uses leverage.)


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