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post #21 of 24 Old 03-14-2013, 07:43 PM Thread Starter
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can you use a bitless bridle in show? If you can maybe that would be a good alternative to a hackamore if that's what your horse is use to. I use them on a few of our horses with great results.
Nope have to have a bit in mouth:( I think it's stupid

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post #22 of 24 Old 03-14-2013, 07:48 PM Thread Starter
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First question; has this horse ever been ridden in a bit before? If so, what level of training had they had?

If the horse has never had a bit on before...or if they had only ever been ridden in a snaffle before going to the hack, then I'd start with something like this
Amazon.com: JP KORSTEEL Copper Oval Link Loose Ring Snaffle Bit, 5.5": Sports & Outdoors.


Then, when they are trained enough and ready to move up to a curb type bit, I'd go with something like one of these...

I have bits identical to these and me and my horses both really like them
Amazon.com: Francois Gauthier Antique Hinged Futurity Bit: Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com: Half Breed Sweetwater Mullen Trainning Horse Bit: Sports & Outdoors




This one is very similar but has a full copper mouth instead of sweet iron with
Copper inlays
Amazon.com:
Coronet Training Short Shank w/Copper Wide Port Bit - 5": Sports & Outdoors

As for your original question about the "harshness" of the broken mouth curb bit (it's not a snaffle with shanks, for more information, you might want to read this thread
Bit Information (Curb and Western type bits and hackamores)), it's not so much that the bit is harsh if the hands are good, but the bit is just ill-designed.

I have tried a TT and, while my horse didn't have a problem with it (I can ride him in just about anything), I hated the lack of feel that it had. There was no subtlety with it, no nuances to my cues, it was all very blunt and rigid. I can compare it to trying to put in stitches with a sharp stick and kite string. You might get the job done if you really know what you're doing, but it won't be pretty.

I greatly value the amount of feel my horses have and I expect a great deal from them. While the bits that I generally use aren't those big, expensive, custom jobs that some do, I make sure that the mechanics of my bits are suitable to the horses that I ride and the goals that I set for them.

This is strictly a personal preference, but I thoroughly dislike bits that have shanks and a broken "snaffle" mouth, just because I don't like the feel of them. I much prefer a good ported curb, either solid or with a barrel. I like being able to pick up one rein to fine tune a movement without the entire bit collapsing on the horse's face.

No bit training... Just hacks... What they prefer to ride with

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You can do some showing in a hackamore no matter the age-- roping, and barrelracing to name a few.. you can actually ride western pleasure, and reining in a hackamore, but I do believe those have an age restriction.

If you're askin how to know what hackamore to choose-- put your horse in his/her regular bit, leave halter on, have another pair of reins attached to halter, see how the horse responds to just a halter (you can use a nylon, or rope, but I prefer to use nylon at first since rope is much harsher) if your horse is respondin well, (just for kicks) I would like to see how he/she responds with the reins tied to the bottom of the halter (like a bosal) and see how they respond that way.. :)
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post #24 of 24 Old 03-16-2013, 06:03 PM
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You can only show in a bosal or snaffle bit if the horse is under 5 years old, sometimes 6 depending on what organization/show you are showing under. Not mechanical hacks or other bitless bridles though.
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