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    10-05-2010, 10:28 AM
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Should we tie a horse with the rider on?

I had a (should I say "funny"?) experience this passed summer with the local trail riding barn. They put people on horses and then tie them to the fence and just leave (till they are done with all people).

Well... I think it's very dangerous: say, if the bee stuns the horse in belly and horse will go crazy it'll easily buck the person off right on fence (read broken bones, if not neck). Well, I DO understand bee can be anywhere, but at least in open spot there is more area to fall AND horse has freedom to move, so at least it won't panic being stuck, and can bolt or jump rather than buck.

So is it a NORMAL practice in barns? I've been just in 2 trail riding barns, and never seen it before that last one.
     
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    10-05-2010, 10:36 AM
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No, it's not normal, kitten. It's stupid and a major lawsuit waiting to happen.

I don't care how calm a horse is 99.99% of the time, it's still a flight animal.
     
    10-05-2010, 10:40 AM
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While I agree with you Speed, it is very common for trail riding barns to do this. It gives people time to sit on the horse while others are mounting. Then someone comes by and unhooks all the horses at once and most of them know their job and just line up nose to tail and down the trail at a snails pace they go. I don't agree with it but I know that the 2 major trail riding stables around here do this.
     
    10-05-2010, 10:51 AM
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That was my guess it's gotta be something common. I brought it up to them and they just looked at me as I'm an idiot. I'd NEVER ride there, but old friend of mine I havn't seen for 8 years really wanted to try and unfortunately my own horses are not beginner-friendly.

Hopefully they won't be sued as a result of someone being badly hurt (or dead).
     
    10-05-2010, 10:53 AM
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Yup, just because nothing has happened YET doesn't mean it won't.

Like Cori, I'm aware it happens but vehemently don't agree with it. Let 'em stay on the horses, just don't tie them to the fence.

When my trainer gives trail rides she takes everyone into the indoor, and let's them mosey around on their assigned horses until everyone's up and ready to go. I like that way much better.
     
    10-05-2010, 11:02 AM
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We do that at my camp. I completely agree with you that there are occasions that could make it very dangerous (I've been part of one myself) however, imo, it's more dangerous to get each little child on while their horse is loose since, at least my camp's horses, will wander off to kingdom come and completely ignore their riders. Since I only had four wranglers, myself included, to manage getting little kids on 10 horses, showing them how to control the horse if need be, then once the front and back wrangler got on, only two on the ground, if the horses were loose and wandering it would have been mayhem.
On top of that, some of our horses really hated each other and if they could they would attack each other. If they weren't tied up, they would think nothing of doing that with a child on their backs.

Each ride is a 15 minute slot so we have to basically throw kids at horses and get them on the trail or else the parents will start calling to complain. I could care less myself about complaining parents but the camp director cares and doesn't understand horses AT ALL so if I want to keep my job I need to get those kids on the trail. I would just not work there anymore, but those poor horses come from seriously misguided homes and I feel like I can do a little good towards making their summers be ok.

It's certainly not the best that it can be, but all the horses were well trained to tie (the one thing they were well trained to do! Hahaha!) and they soon learn that that's the way everyday goes and they couldn't care less. The only time I've ever seen a problem, in my 3 summers of working at this camp, was when a new horse who wasn't used to the system joined the system in the middle of the summer. She was already scary weird to begin with but we were giving her a second chance and she totally blew it. But in her case I think it had less to do with our tying thing and more to do with how she was bonkers.
     
    10-05-2010, 11:29 AM
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Wow I have never heard of that, but reading the responses it sounds like it is quite common. I have never been to a trail riding barn, but I would have thought that if I rider was too new to be able to control their horse that they would each have a leader on the ground. What would happen on the trail if one of the horses in the middle freaked out causing a chain reaction with the other horses? Sounds like a recipy for disaster to me.
     
    10-05-2010, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Wow I have never heard of that, but reading the responses it sounds like it is quite common. I have never been to a trail riding barn, but I would have thought that if I rider was too new to be able to control their horse that they would each have a leader on the ground. What would happen on the trail if one of the horses in the middle freaked out causing a chain reaction with the other horses? Sounds like a recipy for disaster to me.
Alex, the main problem there are often 10 - 20 people on ride, and only 3-4 people who set up the ride (at the most, sometime even less). So I agree you GET to do something to prevent problems from happening. However I still rather let them loose than tie them up. It feels extremely unsafe.

I helped out (for free) as a trail guide for about a year, and we just put people and asked to stand and wait (those horses were VERY quiet though and we always tried to get a match). I think that was rather dangerous as well, but still I as a rider feel more comfortable about this approach. (and we had other dangerous situations on trails as well, because doesn't matter how hard you try trail ride with beginners on horses is always rather unpredictable).
     
    10-05-2010, 12:13 PM
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I agree with you. Maybe the solution would only to be as many horses as they have helpers?

I have never been to a trail riding barn, but I would want more assistance for a new rider than it sounds like they are providing. I would love to get my hubby on a horse, but at close to 300lb he was squash my little TB, so I had been considering taking him somewhere for a trail ride on their horses, but I would want to wrap my big hubby in cotton wool and have a lead rope from his horse to me.
     
    10-05-2010, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Maybe the solution would only to be as many horses as they have helpers?
They have to make money! And from my experience not too many idiots (like me) want to help for free. No offense here to anyone, I was used pretty much for everything (including trying new horses from the auctions for re-sale) in exchange "to ride horseys", and I still think how DUMB I was to start with and how LUCKY that I was not killed or hurt really badly while trying all these horses some with training or mental issues.
     

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