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post #11 of 23 Old 11-03-2009, 11:45 PM
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I wouldnt pin her somewere, were she can't go backwards, if she freaks out that could end badly for both of you. Sometimes if a horse dosent get a movement ill try to get someone on the ground to help me guide the horse.
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post #12 of 23 Old 11-04-2009, 11:36 AM
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i wouldnt pin her somewere, were she can't go backwards, if she freaks out that could end badly for both of you. Sometimes if a horse dosent get a movement ill try to get someone on the ground to help me guide the horse.
Your not pinning them, your giving them two options, go forward which you will block or go sideways which will be met with release of all pressure.
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If rider is leaning forward while asking for sideways, horse could take that as a rein back cue.
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I was generally taught that any half pass position should be forward as well as side ways. Bend your horse in the direction you're moving away from and make sure she's not 100% parallel to the wall she's moving towards, the front legs should be a bit more towards the wall. If moving to the right, use left leg behind the girth and right leg at the girth, this lets her know to move forward as well as sideways. Keep the right rein the same(do not give) and pull slightly on the left, this will prevent her from just craning her head around and force her to bend from the shoulders. Also, turn your hips(don't twist at the waist, shoulders and hips must be parallel) so that a bit more of your weight in on your left seatbone. I wouldn't suggest just going sideways as its always best to have the horse step infront and across, not behind.

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I was generally taught that any half pass position should be forward as well as side ways. Bend your horse in the direction you're moving away from and make sure she's not 100% parallel to the wall she's moving towards, the front legs should be a bit more towards the wall. If moving to the right, use left leg behind the girth and right leg at the girth, this lets her know to move forward as well as sideways. Keep the right rein the same(do not give) and pull slightly on the left, this will prevent her from just craning her head around and force her to bend from the shoulders. Also, turn your hips(don't twist at the waist, shoulders and hips must be parallel) so that a bit more of your weight in on your left seatbone. I wouldn't suggest just going sideways as its always best to have the horse step infront and across, not behind.
This is a side pass, not a half pass
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Regardless of what it is, it's generally not a good idea to have a horse stepping behind and across which some do without some forward movement. Better to start with a half pass and gradually take the forward movement away then build bad habits.

Same as Piaffe, it's trained with the horse inching forward and eventually the horse can do it on the spot.

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Regardless of what it is, it's generally not a good idea to have a horse stepping behind and across which some do without some forward movement. Better to start with a half pass and gradually take the forward movement away then build bad habits.

Same as Piaffe, it's trained with the horse inching forward and eventually the horse can do it on the spot.

To me a side pass is more useful then a half pass. If you do gates a side pass is essential while half passing is of no use.
If you want to hand something to another rider, again side passing.
I do use half pass when moving from one side of the trial to the other or for moving him away from the edge of the highway when road running.
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What does that have to do with anything I said? I mentioned that to prevent certain bad behaviours from being embedded, perhaps teaching half pass first and moving to side pass would work. I have seen horses who cross over behind, not infront. Going from half pass to side pass teaches to cross over infront. Plus her horse keeps backing up, so it may help with that too.

I didn't mention anything about how useful/useless something is... and I don't believe anyone asked which is more "useful to you".

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, perhaps teaching half pass first and moving to side pass would work. I have seen horses who cross over behind, not infront. Going from half pass to side pass teaches to cross over infront. Plus her horse keeps backing up, so it may help with that too.
I agree, if you break it down into smaller steps it's much easier for the horse.
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post #20 of 23 Old 11-05-2009, 12:25 PM
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I have had this issue before. I agree iwth putting the fence behind the horse. It takes some of them time to realize that the same cue on the other side means do the same thing, but go the other direction. Just be patient, and don't give up. Use your leg pressure more, and just be sure to use lots of praise when the horse does go. You may also try getting him to give just the fore or the hind. Basically what they were talking about on the half pass, and after a while the horse will understand what you are asking.
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