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        10-28-2011, 11:50 AM
      #11
    rob
    Weanling
    To each his own.i train cutters and sorters for a living and they had better know where to put their feet
         
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        10-28-2011, 12:04 PM
      #12
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by rob    
    to each his own.i train cutters and sorters for a living and they had better know where to put their feet
    Well "they had better" have a good foundation on them to get to that point, and a good foundation will start on the ground. But like you said, to each his own.

    My opinion and experience is that your horse is much less likely to get frustrated (which can lead to rearing and balking) when you make it very clear to them on the ground first what it is that you want. On the ground, I can use more body language to communicate with the horse when I ask it to move over.

    Say I was trying to teach my horse to move its shoulder over and I was in the saddle. I could tippity-tap all day with my leg and get nothing, but if I hop down and tippity-tap with a whip as well as use my strength to get that shoulder over, the horse is more likely to move. Then we can move down to lighter cues and eventually use that in the saddle. This is just an example of why starting on the ground works better (for me).

    I can tap my horse lightly on the side with the butt of my whip and he will step over. When I get on his back, I can bump him with my leg and guess what ... he will step over. Now I have a way to move my horse over on the ground (which is not something that's useless, even outside of training purposes...) AS WELL as the saddle.
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        10-28-2011, 12:44 PM
      #13
    mls
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Equilove    
    Well "they had better" have a good foundation on them to get to that point, and a good foundation will start on the ground. But like you said, to each his own.
    Exactly.

    We raise and train working cow horse lines. Every horse learns 'over' when they are young. Stepping into the saddle and putting my leg on the horse and saying over helps them connect.

    You teach whoa in hand, you use the word when you start to teach it in the saddle.

    Groundwork does transfer to the saddle.
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        10-28-2011, 01:21 PM
      #14
    rob
    Weanling
    If you have noyhing better to do than groundwork.thats where patience and experience comes in,is you can pass up some of those extra steps on the ground and get some work done without messing him up
         
        10-28-2011, 01:36 PM
      #15
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by rob    
    if you have noyhing better to do than groundwork.thats where patience and experience comes in,is you can pass up some of those extra steps on the ground and get some work done without messing him up
    Skipping steps helps nothing. Eventually the steps you skipped will show up and you'll have to go back and teach it anyway, so better sooner than later.
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        10-28-2011, 02:06 PM
      #16
    mls
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by rob    
    if you have noyhing better to do than groundwork.thats where patience and experience comes in,is you can pass up some of those extra steps on the ground and get some work done without messing him up
    Patience and experience will get you a solid horse - with no holes in the basic fundamentals.

    Skipping those steps is what messes up a horse.
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        10-28-2011, 05:47 PM
      #17
    rob
    Weanling
    Skipping unessecery steps hurts nothing as long as you know what you are doing
         
        10-28-2011, 11:08 PM
      #18
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by ichliebepferde    
    Thanks for the Response TinyLiny. I can I get her to step her shoulder over? I can get her with her back end, but not her shoulder, she will just swing her back end around and face me again.
    I would put pressure on her side, as though you would when you are in the saddle. I wouldn't be asking for the movement at the shoulder directly, instead I would be asking infront of where the girth would be, or just at where the girth would be.

    You can use the butt end of a crop, your knuckle, or a hoof pick *not pushing hard, just enough as though you would while using a spur* or even an english spur in your hand - just ask with enough pressure to encourage her to move over.

    The moment she gives you a step, stop, praise and allow her to digest the information. A sign would be smacking her lips. Then ask again.

    I hope that helps!

    I wouldn't push the face to make the shoulder move.

    If she were stepping on your toe while you were grooming her, how you would ask her to step over to relieve the pressure?
         

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