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post #11 of 18 Old 01-27-2010, 12:05 AM Thread Starter
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Indeed, once I get into the saddle and try it I'll have to keep all of that in mind. He has excellent hindquarter yields from both sides on the ground and in the saddle, in fact a lot of times I prefer to turn him with a hindquarter yield rather than with his front end, its much tighter and faster. I guess we're lacking in a shoulder cue.
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post #12 of 18 Old 01-27-2010, 12:09 AM
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I guess one thing that makes it easier for me is the way I train my horses initially. I train that the legs control the hind end and the reins control the shoulders and neck. That way, on a neck reining horse, I only have to apply leg and rein pressure and after they figure out how to position their feet......BOOM, sidepass.
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Yes, he knows how to neck rein and that the reins control the front end, but I don't think he knows how to engage his feet correctly to the side...he has problems with confidence in his feet to begin with, so he picks up on things that build on what he's used to, but for some things its worse than teaching a green horse, because he's already learned something else that contradicts what I'm telling him now.

So, lots of patience and lots of time, like everything else! lol
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post #14 of 18 Old 01-27-2010, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by justsambam08 View Post
So, lots of patience and lots of time, like everything else! lol
I have not read most of the posts so I don't know what other recommend. I teach every horse I own to side pass and do it in a few days, a week at most.
'Everything is done from the back, no lunging, no nothing.
I just put the horse up against/facing a gate, a wagon, anything and bump with the opposite leg and open up with the rein in the direction I want the horse to go. I usually try to pick the direction the horse wants to go anyway.
If the barn in to my left I side pass to the left. For the right I pick something else so home/barn is to my right and side pass that way.

Teaching sidepassing is easy if you know how but refining it so the horse side passes over everything that clears his gut is something else. That takes time.

I also teach side passing before leads. Once the horse understands sidepassing picking a lead becomes easier.
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I could totally see that happening in a week, if I were working with him in the saddle/on the ground 7 days a week multiple times a day. But Ice doesn't live with me, he's boarded 12 minutes away, so I usually see him for an hour or two 4 or 5 days a week. On top of that, he's an 11 year old racehorse. Training him is harder than training something that doesn't know anything. I've seen him do a PERFECT sidepass (to the right, which means he's engaging his left side) multiple times before, but that was just out of the blue because he didn't want to do what I was doing anymore so there was no cue involved.

Next week I'll have lots of time off from work so I'll be out at the barn a lot, so I'll work on his cues.
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Let me know how it goes!!! I'm also working with my horse on sidepassing as well. She yeilds very well both the front and hind end while on ground. Also, she's not so bad when I'm riding her, but when I try to sidepass, she either backs up, goes forward or just spins in a circle, which I got her to do very well also, but not what I'm looking for when sidepassing obviously lol.

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^^thats exactly what Ice does about hind quarter yielding! If I'm on the ground and even take a step towards his rump, he swings it over a couple steps. I guess he knows that cue a little too well!
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Originally Posted by free_sprtd View Post
^^^ That's great advice! Without realizing it, I had worked on those things in saddle as well, but didn't put the two things together that it would all help in side passing. Very good description ReigningTrainer.

Except I taught the cues for yielding from the ground instead of in saddle.
When you can, teaching from the ground first makes it easier for the horse when you are in the saddle as well as helping you to 'see' what the horse is doing so you know what is going on from the saddle. : )

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