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post #1 of 38 Old 01-19-2012, 11:15 AM Thread Starter
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Sitting back when tying

I got Jester back in 2010 and was told he didn't cross tie. Looking back, it was stupid of me, but I taught him to ground tie and didn't go further than that. He's been laid up since September after injuring his deep digital flexor tendon and we just got cleared on Monday to start working and riding again. Now, he's so eager to get out of the stall that he WON'T tie, and I don't really blame him, but I need him to stand still!

I don't have much experience with teaching a horse to tie. When I worked at the farm back in IL, I mainly taught horses to jump and wasn't a part of the breaking process. The general consensus around the farm where he's boarded at, and the farm where I keep my other horse, is to tie him to an immovable object and let him fight it. However, his problem isn't that he breaks the ties or his halter, it's that he slips out of his halter, leaving it suspended in the cross ties.

I'm also not sure that I want to let him "fight it out" because I don't want a reinjury of that tendon (these past 4 months have been awful). Anyone have experience with this method or success with another?
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post #2 of 38 Old 01-19-2012, 11:36 AM
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Maybe try a well fitted rope halter and a very long lead.

Don't tie the lead up, just loop it to where if he does try to pull or sit back, he doesn't hit the breaking point of the rope.

So if he does move back, he doesn't figure out that if he goes to a certain point that he can break out of being tied.
He just continues on with the lead, and doesn't break free.
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I've tried that with the lunge line. I looped it (not tied) around a hitching post and he just kept backing up until he hit the end, then he kept pulling until he got out of his halter. He seems to know that he's being tied and he knows exactly how to move his head to get out of the halter. He's a very frustrating horse. If only he would apply that same smartness to getting back in shape!
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does this horse rub his head on something to get it off,or does it just come off when he pulls
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He'll pull back, then when he hits the end of the tie or crossties, he just starts twisting, going up and down, and side to side. I've adjusted his halter so that it's as tight as it can go around his head, and he still is able to get out. I'm mystified. I use a regular nylon halter with no breakaway.
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He'll pull back, then when he hits the end of the tie or crossties, he just starts twisting, going up and down, and side to side. I've adjusted his halter so that it's as tight as it can go around his head, and he still is able to get out. I'm mystified. I use a regular nylon halter with no breakaway.
I would use a Roper Halter. A well fitted Rope Halter, IMO would stay better. And also, when he pulls back, the knots will hit on his pressure points, and the only way to relive it for him would be to stop pulling back.

So, I think it would make it a lot harder to get off with a Rope Halter on. Just my opinion.
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I would see how well he leads up, by that I mean if you were leading him and you sped up and put a pulling pressure on him. How would he react? My guess is he'l set back so be prepared with a long lead rope and wear gloves. If he does set back when you do that keep pressure on him but go with him until he steps forward then release pressure. Sending exercises would help too.
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If you have him in a fitted rope halter that he can't worm his way out of, try a bucket of hay? My horse wouldn't tie and so I would give him hay and then sneakily tie him to a piece of bailing twine attached to a post. Over time, I took the hay away and he was happy to stand.

The key to any new thing is to do as much as you can, without him reacting. So if you manage to clip him to a crosstie, leave on for 1 second, BEFORE he reacts... or fusses.. or whatnot, and then take it off (give him a release.)

Good luck

EDIT: I reread a few responses and I see what's going on. He needs a better halter. Making it tighter doesn't teach him anything. Put him in a fitted rope, and you'll have no problems with him escaping it. Nylon web will break.. my horse in the past could weasel his way out of his. He'd rip the crossties and the halter apart before he decided to stand. I put him in rope (and it was a big gauge fluffy rope..) and NO problems. He couldn't escape from it, couldn't break it. I kept him in rope, have had no problems since. Now I can put him in leather and he's happy or I could put him in nylon (if I wanted to, not a fan of nylon) and he's fine. He ground ties, cross ties, post ties, tree ties, toddler ties, whatever.

But it helped him putting on a rope halter and giving him a bucket of hay (he was a nervous horse.)

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I would see how well he leads up, by that I mean if you were leading him and you sped up and put a pulling pressure on him. How would he react? My guess is he'l set back so be prepared with a long lead rope and wear gloves. Posted via Mobile Device
He leads just fine or stands when being held, even with pressure on. My 3 year old has even shown him in halter...running and tugging to get him to trot. He's a perfect gentleman until the rope is attached to something stable. Sneaky horse.

Skyseternalangel (sorry, it wouldn't let me do multi quote for some reason): I have tried the hay thing. When we went to a show, I put his hay net on the side and tied him (well clipped with 3 trailer ties so he had quite a bit of space). Yep, he took a good bite, realized he was tied as well, and pulled back. Popped a bolt out of the tie ring on the trailer!

I will try the rope halter. I have never used one before (I come from an eventing barn where it's leather halter central) so tell me if this is the one I should use. If not, I'll order whatever is recommended.


Thanks for all your responses! I really appreciate all the help.
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I'd recommend this instead: Diamond Braid Rope Halter & Lead: Blue

All rope.. no clips, no rawhide on the nose.. the rope will help.

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