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post #41 of 60 Old 09-19-2012, 01:26 AM Thread Starter
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There are harsh bits. A proper spade bit will put pressure on a horse's palate if their head isn't held vertical. I've ridden with one before - again, I'm not a complete snaffle queen. However, that horse I rode in the spade with rode off leg and seat aids only. I didn't even touch the reins.
A twisted wire bit is going to exert specific pressure points even when just attached to the headstall, unless adjusted too loosely. Those pressure points become magnified when the rider picks up the reins. I've ridden in this bit too in the past and it will never be used by me again; I greatly dislike wire bits. There is no sense in telling a horse to accept contact against a bit that is designed to back a horse off it with pain. The offset double twisted wire bit is a thing of torture.
Western is different from English. Period. You can get away with much harsher bits because you are not asking the horse to be on contact 90% of the ride.
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Well, we atleast agree on a few things.....but for the sake of opening another can of worms, lets just agree to disagree some of the time
Ok, I'm done......
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ETA: I just deleted this post because I'm tired and cranky and nothing will come out of it. Sorry, folks.

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She was probably told to go back to the snaffle for retraining because she wasn't experienced enough to use the bit she wanted to.

There are tons of threads debating bits and a ton of information regarding them on this site. It gets so tiring to answer the same questions over and over and over again.

You come onto the forum asking about using a bigger bit on your horse? We will tell you to go back to retraining in a snaffle because you are not ready for a bigger bit. If that question arises and you're the one typing it, you don't know enough to properly use a bigger bit. Go back to the snaffle and continue to learn off that one.
Done,done, done......we are beating a very dead horse...
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The majority of the population of this particular forum has been pro-snaffle, anti-bitting-up for as long as I've been here. There are some "bit em up" people here, but they are the minority. Other forums' views may differ; I don't know, and I'm pretty sure my head would explode if I stumbled on a pro-bike-chain-bit forum, or a pro-Rollkur forum. Haha.
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Muppet, I think you've only seen select answers to the 'please go back to a snaffle' threads. As in most of the threads I've seen, and generally been involved in, there is an explanation of some sort, given to the OP as to why a snaffle would be preferable at this point.
Maybe it's not put in a black and white, slapped in the face answer, but read between the lines of a response, telling the rider to use other aids, and the message comes across as to why a snaffle is preferable in that instance.

I see the opposite of what you do, too many people jumping to a more severe bit before even contemplating training themselves. No one seems to be willing to take the time of the long road, they want results right now without putting the effort in.
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Done,done, done......we are beating a very dead horse...
Yes @_@ Yes we are
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I have to reply because I feel like I have been misunderstood......the right bit in the right hands can transform a good rider into a great rider and a mediocre paddock hack into a nice horse.....hey we don't all wear the same shoes and the same bras! Some of us need sports bras and runners and some of us need heels and Victorias secret...I don't believe in bitting up for the wrong reasons.....and ugh rolkur.....don't start that discussion......THE END!

Katy I missed your response ( we were posting at the same time) NO I AM NOT INTO HEAVILY BITTING A HORSE FOR QUICK RESULTS, NEVER EVER.....if we could all go back to my original rant you will see that I was NOT promoting the use of harsher bits....just curious as to the snaffle worship I have seen.....

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I disagree. The right TRAINING will transform a good rider into a great rider. A good rider will never become a great rider due to a bit.
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You are completely taking my posts out of context......
How much clearer do I need to be.....it's like tunnel vision....sigh....
Frustrated and tired........
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I disagree. The right TRAINING will transform a good rider into a great rider. A good rider will never become a great rider due to a bit.
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Amen.
No piece of equipment will transform a rider. Hell, no horse will make a terrible rider a good rider without a great deal of effort.
Put a novice on Totilas and I can assure you, they would be off very, very quickly.
Training is what makes a rider, some riders chose to take shortcuts, there are gadgets for EVERYTHING, can't get your horse on the bit? Just stick some draw reins on it. How has a stiff back so carries their tail high? Just pop a false tail with weights on it, problem solved.
I see bits in the same light, oh your horse pulls against a snaffle? Stick a twisted wire bit on it, easy as, horse is now too scared to pull against you in fear of having its tongue cut off.

A good rider, does not need fancy gadgets and bits to be a good rider.
I love watching Hubertus Schmidt train, because he trains in a snaffle. *gasp* an internationally competitive Grand Prix rider, on an internationally competitive Grand Prix horse... in a snaffle.... uh-ma-zing
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