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        08-13-2009, 02:22 PM
      #1
    Foal
    Question Some Advice Please..

    Okay trainers..I need some help. But first here is a little bit of my horse background.

    I am 18 years old and I have riden and owned horses since I was 5. My first horse at the age of 6 was an 18 year old Appaloosa mare named Pepper. She was, of course, bomb proof. Since then I have riden some very crazy horses. A lady that I have known since I was 6 years old trains horses as a job. Up until recently I would go out to her house every week and help her train the horses. She was very into Parelli and she practiced that with all her horses. I, unfortunately, never learned it. She would do all the ground work with them and I would be rider. I helped her start most of the horses that she owned so I became a pretty good rider. She gave me a 4 year old registered Quarter Horse. I've had him since march of this year and at that time he had only been riden a hand full of times. About a month and a half ago I moved him off of her property due to thrush and him dropping weight. Since moving him, he has put on a bunch of weight and the thrush has cleared up. I am very happy with my decision to move him except for one thing..I have never trained a horse on my own before and I think I need some help on some things.

    I ride him everyday now for at least an hour. He is doing great. At first, he would buck during the canter. That was fixed with a bucking strap. He has bucked a few times since then but, he only does it once and then he stops. I walk, trot, canter him in a round pen before I ride him each time. We also do some work herding cows out where he is being kept now. We just walk or trot up behind them to herd them out of the pasture where we ride. I do have a few problems though. First, he is extremely barn sour. He is currently on 15 acres. The acres are divided up into 4 pastures which are all positioned around the barn. He always wants to turn from where ever we're riding and go back to the barn. It worries me because when we canter in the direction of the barn he doesn't want to stop. Even when I try to one rein stop him he fights me and trys running anyway. I have to pull his head almost to my knee to get him to stop. How can I fix the barn sourness? I would like to feel comfortable riding him anywhere without having to worry about him bolting to the barn. It is seriously constantly on his mind.

    Next, seeing as I left his trainers place for the health of my horse..I didn't fully learn everything about finishing him. He will walk, trot, canter, stop, stand, and is starting to pick up neck reining but, I don't know how to teach him to lead change and side pass. Could anyone give me some advice on how to get him to do these things?

    Thanks to anyone who can help.
         
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        08-13-2009, 04:54 PM
      #2
    Foal
    I am a AQHA and APHA trainer in NC. I own a training facility. Sounds like your horse needs some "buttons". You shouldn't worry about neck reining as much as you should leg commands. Leg comes first! You can try line driving from the ground for a while to get the steering under control. Your horse can probably sense that you are unsure of yourself. Be firm but not nasty. Some type of small spur is great for training and very precise leg commands. You might want to experiement with different types of bits too. Check out my website and if you need anymore advice just let me know.
    www.paintedacreshorses.weebly.com
         
        08-13-2009, 05:19 PM
      #3
    Foal
    Okay..he steers fine. I don't have a problem with getting him to turn or anything. I do use leg commands when I want him to turn a certain direction. What bit do you recommend for training? Right now Im using a small sweet iron snaffle. I have also tried a rubber bit but he hated that. What would you say I should start working on with him?

    Thanks so much
         
        08-14-2009, 01:09 PM
      #4
    Foal
    Im looking for some different bits that would be better for teaching my horse to turn and steer better. He is still pretty new to a bit right now. He has only been using one for about a month but is doing very well. I found one on horse.com that looks like it might help him...

    Reinsman Adjustable Leather Nose Dog Bone Hackamore - Horse.com

    Its a hackamore but also has a bit with it. He was started without a bit so I am able to ride him in a rope halter. Please let me know if you have another bit that you think might work better. I really want something that I can use as his bit and not have to change once he picks up on the steering and turning better. I will be working on training him for barrel racing once he is done so I would really like something that I could use for that and just everyday riding.

    Thanks
         
        08-15-2009, 06:45 PM
      #5
    Trained
    The answer isn't in his mouth it's between his ears. I would work him hard around the barn when he wants to drift that way. What paintedacreshorses was saying is that you need to get your horse yeilding to your legs laterally. Not turning but moving off of your leg. The best way I know to do this is to walk the horse forward while pushing one leg into him and holding the other out a little. He will step diagonally then remove the pressure. Repeat on both sides waiting for more steps eventually. I'm afraid this is a very complicated manuever and hard to explain in this media.
         
        08-15-2009, 07:42 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    Honestly, I would get yourself a trainer.
    Finishing a horse is on baised on opinion. When you feel your horse knows everything you want it to, and performs to your expectations.
    As far as leads. When your going down the rail and you ask for the correct lead. Don't ask with both legs, ask with the leg that's on the rail. And visa versa. Do circles cantering. Pretty much, if you want the left lead, squeeze with your right leg. Right lead, ask with your left leg. And do circles left and right with this.
         
        08-16-2009, 01:21 AM
      #7
    Foal
    One effective way to work on his barn sourness is to work him well right next to or around the barn. Then allow him to relax and go easy, only when you move away from the barn. He'll begin to associate hard work with the barn instead of comfort. What he's truly bolting/running back to is that 'idea' of comfort and easy times that the barn presently offers, in his mind. Whenever a horse is soured, whether it's a barn or the herd, the best solution is to make it clear that's where he will end up working his butt off (and release will only be given as he moves away from the source of his sourness and behaves). If he runs you to the barn, make it your idea. Push him hard. Once you get there, work him even harder, really putting him through the paces and getting him on the ball/thinking. Now it is not only your idea but the barn is, oh, not so comfortable.

    I agree this is not a mouth problem, but a get the horse thinking and working issue. The hackamore twisted wire snaffle is a very severe contraption. It won't solve your problem.
         

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