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    10-07-2007, 11:28 PM
  #1
Trained
some bad habits id like help fixing - UPDATED WITH NEW PICS

As im sure the whole world knows by now, I finally have a warmblood yay hehehe its in poor shape but he is still a warmblood lol


Anyhoo, here is a little of his past so you may be able to see where he is coming from. He was bred by the guy that we bought him from. When he was born, the guy was heavily into showing and his intent was for him to be a dressage horse. As much as he hasnt looked after his horses over the last 12 months, prior to that he was heavily involved with them.

When jarred was 4, he was leased out to a breeder friend of the guys to be a stud stallion. He did that until he was 5. The guy got him back and started breaking him in. This all went well. Have seem videos of them breaking him in and how he was after and he was really nice.

After he was broken, the guy gave him 6 months off as his theory is that when youngens are broken in, they should have some time off. By the time he had had his time off, he was a little over 6. He was ridden for a while but only doing minimal hacking and the odd ride off the property. This continued for about 8 months until a new farrier was used and he cut his hooves to short and he ended up quite lame in his near front and off back feet.

This was the last time he was ridden. (sighs and ponders the next few months lol) anyhoo, since then he has basically been left to his own devices other than the odd feed by his owner (we were feeding him every day but don't tell anyone *sshhhh* :))

I believe that because he has had very little guidance, he doesnt know his bounds and what is allowed and what isnt. For example, apparently its perfectly acceptable to turn your bum on your mum when she tries to brush you, feed you, clean your hooves or talk to you. It is also acceptable to swish mum with your 10kg tail anytime she tries to pat you anywhere that isnt your head.

I understand he is quite nervy obviously as he also likes to completely examine the brush if its one of those occasions where he may, just may let you brush him.

The hardest part is that he doesnt kick, put his ears back or show any signs of aggression. He just turns his bum at you as if to say "see this butt?? I can kick with it you know."

Time and patience is needed yes, but iwas wondering if there are any little things I can do to maybe start ridding him of those not so nice habits.

I am going to do natural horsemanship with him once the flu is over but that could be 6 months yet. Any little tricks of the trade regarding nervous, neglected but not psycho horses, would be appreciated. In all my years dealing with horses, I have always managed to get nice, mannered horses and havent really had to deal with emotional issues.

Thanks in advance
Emily
     
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    10-08-2007, 12:30 PM
  #2
Started
Do you do any ground work with him right now?

From what you've described, his behavior is not aggressive. To me, it just sounds like he thinks people are useless and not worth communicating to. I know a couple horses with this "horseonality" and the challenge with them is to get them interested in you enough to where they feel like we are worthy of communication. So you need to have a BIG imagination with these kinds of horses!

To get things going naturally, since you said you are want to do NH with him, I would do 30 minutes of quiet time with him in his stall or paddock for 7 days. Enter the stall and act as if he isn't there. Go sit down, either on the floor, in a chair, on a bucket, whatever, and just wait. Here are the rules:

*Don't make a lot of eye contact.
*Don't try to get him to come over yo you.
*If he comes over, do not reach out and touch him. Allow him to be the first one to touch you, if he wants to. This is important because usually horses are not allowed to be curious about people. We always do things to them and they never really get a chance to just come investigate us.
*When you observe his behavior, do it in a soft way, not like you are concentrating really hard on him lol.
*If at any time you feel unsafe, go out of the stall/paddock and sit on the outside.
*No talking. It's just you and your horse in your own world, just the two of you.

If he doesn't come to you at all during this time, try not to take it personally. That just shows you that he isn't really interested in having a relationship with you YET. But if you do this for the 7 days you will be surprised how interested he becomes. When the 30 minutes is up, simply leave the stall without touching him or looking at him. This will also spark his curiosity of you, and curiosity leads to him asking you questions! This is big for this type of "horseonality" because they generally don't care about people, let alone communicating with us.
     
    10-08-2007, 12:40 PM
  #3
Started
Ahh, blonde moment :roll: I forgot to add this in my other post.

To me, it sounds like he turns his butt to you because again, he really doesn't care about people. His attitude is like, "Pshh, whatever." So when he does this take a lead rope or a heavy string and start lightly tapping him with it on a sensitive area, like the gaskin, flank, under the belly, hock, whatever. You want to be like a FLY. You want to annoy him to the point where he goes "What are you doing??" And when he turns toward you stop tapping and turn away like you had been doing nothing at all :P Make it into a game. You don't want to whack him with a whip or anything because that could do a few things. One, cause him to become afraid, two, not have any effect on him because of his "horseonality", or three, cause him to resent you and retaliate. When you do less, the horse will give you more.

As for the tail swishing when being pet and brushed, again, it all goes back to his horseonality. I'm not saying he doesn't like people, as in he's friendly, but he just doesn't see the worth in us. Once the relationship starts building more and he becomes more interested and curious in you, all that will stop.
     
    10-08-2007, 08:25 PM
  #4
Trained
Have been doing bits and pieces of groundwork. We have only had him a few days but because of his situation, we have been feeding him for a while. My husband usually goes out and brushes him when he is eating but even then he only tolerates it for a minute or so and then turns his bum. My hubby isnt 100% confident yet so this scares him.

Well, im definitely curious to try this out. And you're right, he doesnt show agression just irritation I guess.

I did get the impression from him that he couldnt care less unless there is food involved lol that all makes sense though and im definitely going to give it a go.
     
    10-08-2007, 09:56 PM
  #5
Foal
I have to say that I completely understand where you are coming from, I bought a horse about 1 1/2 months ago who was abused and totally uninterested in people. He was hard who am I kidding, near impossible to catch and would turn his butt to me and walk away, no aggression.

I kept him in the corral for the first two weeks, and like spirit horse said sat with him. I always was armed with treats in case he got curious.( I am not above bribing a little only if he came to me and sniffed) Then I would leave and come back a while later and work on catching him. I would be very patient and non threatening, put a halter on him and give him a treat then take it off and leave.

To make a long story short I would catch and do something enjoyable,
Give! Give! Give! ( I rode him also and asked him to give during that since that was where he was most confident.) remember to make yourself a good thing to come and check out, make his mind work, put your lead rope around the far side of him and pull on it this will make him do a very intricate turn. It will make him think. Do alot of giving, but be the boss and call the shots, making him want to be in your herd is the best thing that you can do. I would go out as many times a day as you can ( break it up though)

I am still working at him being more interested and we have made great progress! I can catch him now when he is loose and pick up his front feet and run my hand down his hind legs, Big improvement.
I was out in the pasture today and was brushing him while he was loose! He comes when I call sometimes, I hope this helps and good luck!!
     
    10-14-2007, 10:00 PM
  #6
Trained
Thanks jwhisperj :)

Thought I would give an update. We ended up getting a frank bell dvd on bonding etc we started the first day we got the dvd. Getting the halter on wasnt too much trouble once we got him facing us lol then we put the lead rope on after a minute or two of him trying his hardest to get the halter off by throwing his head around like a mad man we found his favourite scratch spots and set to work just rubbing him everywhere, focusing mainly on his neck and eyes cause they, as we have found, are his weak spots ;)

We spent the first day just doing this and a little pull and release to get his head down and relaxed. He did this quite well and I must say, by the end of half an hour, there was already a difference. Until my hubby tried to clean his feet and nearly got a cow kick in the face but, not quite fortunately.

The next day we did the same thing and already we noticed that his whole demeanor was different and he was starting to seek us out more than before.

On the second day we also tried to get his fly veil on as im sure the flies werent helping his mood any but, no luck. He pulled back, pulled the fence down and nicked off lol great success that was :)

Two days later we tried again and I slipped it up and over his ears without so much as the slightest head lift yay

That seemed to be some kind of breakthrough. He still turns his bum sometimes and puts his ears back but only when he is eating.

We have only been working on the bonding and getting him to relax at the moment but im very impressed with his progress.

And...a pic with the fly veil on *crowd cheers* hehehehe he even manages to walk around with his head down these days which is a massive change from the uptight, head high big fella we took over last week







It makes it easier to work on fattening him up and fixing his hooves etc when his is much calmer. We still have a ways to go but any progress for this fella is big news lol
     
    10-14-2007, 11:40 PM
  #7
Weanling
Hey,

He is cute!! To be honest...... I think its a mans job to be difficult!! Im a 'Jillaroo' in the shortest terms and the only one on our property in WA. And Dad employs over 25 workers..... which are all men. My point is that they make my life hell. That's what men do. I gather!! But yeh something needs to be done about his manners... :roll:
     
    10-14-2007, 11:44 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by sweetypie16
Hey,

He is cute!! To be honest...... I think its a mans job to be difficult!! Im a 'Jillaroo' in the shortest terms and the only one on our property in WA. And Dad employs over 25 workers..... which are all men. My point is that they make my life hell. That's what men do. I gather!! But yeh something needs to be done about his manners... :roll:
hehehehe yes, it is a mans job to be difficult I think :) fortunately, most of my animals are female except for one of the dogs, the horse and my hubby lol I wasnt a fan of mares until these two came along and my mare is perfect and the gelding is rude lol but, yeah, he is getting pas it thank goodness.

I know what you mean about working with boys. I also used to live on property with all the guys. The shearers, the strappers etc etc good thing I am just as much of a boy as them lol can't be anything but a tomboy in that environment :)
     
    10-19-2007, 06:22 AM
  #9
Trained
I have a few more pics to share. I know I know im a pic junkie but I like to share the progress we are making :)

Jarred is soooo much more relaxed these days. For the first time today we tied him up and he just stood there yay he got a brush and a rub and cuddles and he didnt put his ears back once. His ears sat kinda back but not in that cranky pants way he usually does.

Having his first bum brush that lasted longer than 3 seconds lol and he's even looking the other way rather than nervously watching whats going on yay


He found it so nice he nearly fell asleep


"ok dad, you can brush my legs, ill just watch mum"



A never before done tail brush with a cheeky tongue poking out :)


"you can do that as much as you want dad"


"im soooo cute"


"i used to hate cameras but now I like to look straight at it so mum can get spunky photos of me"


"i never used to care about dad but now when he stopes doing stuff with me, I want him to keep going"


So that's that! Sorry about all the pics :) im so proud of him enjoy
     

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