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post #1 of 31 Old 07-13-2012, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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some different takes on 'round penning'

Hi all, Just happened on this page which I thought may start an interesting discussion; Ryder Draw

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While I have tried to understand clicker training, I just can't see the appeal. It seems rather unnecessary to me. But then again the method must work for both the horse and trainer. And this one doesn't fit me well.

For me there are better ways of getting the results I desire. Even after reading the link you provided, if you were to hide the clinicians names, Bucks method is the closest to what I use.

I am not much on spending a whole lot of time in a round pen anyhow, it becomes a security blanket for the horse and rider/trainer. Depending on the horse, a few rides and we go outside. I think too much round pen time makes for insecure horses and riders.
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Re 'join up', cow chick, I agree with your comments, except for the 'security blanket' for the *horse* bit, but I like that description as far as people using it. I do think 'round penning'(well, not nec. Round) does indeed have it's uses, but IME they're quite limited & I also don't like the way many use it... particularly running them around to the point of physical exhaustion!
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Based on the 3 horses who have spent time being trained with around pen, I'd say the Lyons method works pretty darn good. 3 of 3 horses showed vastly better behavior after being trained with a round pen being a PART of the training.

But the way I was taught, it is largely a one-time experience. Once they learn what they need to from the round pen, it is time to go on with life and riding. We sold Lilly in Dec 2010, but she hasn't set foot in a round pen since her initial training:



Trooper also hasn't been in a round pen since his training. Mia had her training in November 2011, and hasn't been back.

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Re 'join up', cow chick, I agree with your comments, except for the 'security blanket' for the *horse* bit, but I like that description as far as people using it. I do think 'round penning'(well, not nec. Round) does indeed have it's uses, but IME they're quite limited & I also don't like the way many use it... particularly running them around to the point of physical exhaustion!
I should clarify, I think that the rider/trainer causes the horse to be insecure or depend on the security of a round pen or arena.

I think physical exhaistion works for those who don't read a horse. There is a big difference between exerting excess energy to focus and complete physical exhaustion!
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I agree the physical exhaustion is not the answer in most cases, but I have worked with some severly abused and neglected/ dangerous horses and sometimes physical exhaustion is a good way ONLY INITIALLY to help a horse understand that not all humans are horrible. They are so tired they won't fight the simple touch.

I do not agree with it more than once, possibly twice, after that it's just ignorance in my mind. I only think its ok based on watching a few of the herds in my yard. I have seen other horses physically exhaust others if they are being attacked or their lead authority threatened.
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I think it is a great place for them to learn whoa, go, canter, slow. Once they get that it makes it easier for them to understand when they are outside of it. We generally get the basics done in the round pen. Then we take the new kid out with our 15 year old trail savvy mare and let her teach them there is really nothing scary out there. There is no greater teacher.
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I have not ever worked with abused/rescued horses so I can not agree or disagree that it works on them.

On Mustangs or ranch horses that have been run wild until starting age I have not found exhaustion or lack of air to be efficient.
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I might add, and correct me if I am wrong....

John Lyons is the one in the link who uses exhaustion as a tool in the roundpen. I don't agree or follow JL methods but I think he has changed his methods over the years because he has found certain things inefficient. Because I am not a JL follower, I am not sure if if this is one of his earlier methods he later found not to be effective. Maybe someone here that uses his methods or at least knows of them could clarify.

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Well, I've run Mia in the round pen until soaked with sweat. She wasn't exhausted, but she sure was tired!

When she would have a 'you aren't the boss of me' moment, I'd have her run. And run. And she wasn't slowing down. I'd turn her regularly, and let her drop briefly to a canter, but if she wanted to play "Queen of the Universe", we'd play it until she got tired of it - so to speak. I'd give her chances to come in to me, she'd pass them up and toss her head, and I'd make her run some more.

I felt that was a very important lesson for her: She doesn't get to make the rules. She is both a very fearful and very dominant mare. If she feels like she is the boss, then her fears can run wild. Her fears are then only limited to her imagination, which is apparently very healthy...

I said she hadn't been back to the round pen since last fall, but that wasn't really true. A couple of weeks ago, while I was saddling her, she decided she didn't HAVE to have a bit put in her mouth. In the end, my little riding arena became a very large round pen. She ran and turned and ran some more for about 30 minutes straight, and responded to each offer to come in with head tossing...which earned her more time running. In the end, she snorted, trotted up to me, stopped about 6 feet away, extended her nose and sniffed my hand, and then followed me around as I cleaned up the mess. We then spent another 2 hours doing some work, and the following morning we did a 6 mile trail ride.

And she was great. She can be a very sweet and affectionate horse, but only when she knows the human is serious. I haven't tried it, but I cannot imagine the training in the OP's post doing her any good. She WANTS someone who will unleash the wrath of hell upon her. She wants someone strong enough to protect her, and that someone needs to be tougher than she is. I'm pretty sure she would consider bribes to be the tool of a weakling.

Just FWIW. I'm no horse trainer, just a guy with 3 horses in various stages...

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