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    04-15-2010, 10:30 AM
  #21
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Originally Posted by ReiningTrainer    
Never start with a goal or you will start with a wreck. .
I always start a young puke with a goal. From the minute I start handling him I peel away all the bad habits and only leave the finished product.

Like a scupture, he just cuts the stuff that doesn't belong freeing the trapped scupture that he sees in his mind.

I know what a finished product should be and discard all the bad behavor , the unwanted behavor leaving a finished horse.

I definitely have a goal in mind.
     
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    04-15-2010, 11:05 AM
  #22
Foal
Everything goes back to respect and establishing who leads and who follows.

I don't know anyone who can out muscle a horse. I know some who can out think them.

Gain his respect and establish who leads and most of the issues will go away.

Remember there is no trust without respect.
     
    04-15-2010, 11:17 AM
  #23
Weanling
I havent read the whole thread so sorry if this has already been said.

Trooper was really bad for this. What I did is I kept him tied to the cross ties so he can't go anywhere on me. Here are the steps after that...
1. Put your right hand over top of his head (helps keep him from throwing his head up).
2.have the bridle ready with the other hand.
3.put the reins over his head
4.put the bridle in the right hand
5. Put bit in, and bridle over ears etc.

Hope this helps. You may have to do this for a while. Unfortunatly you will have to live with having the halter under the bridle untill he learns. Eventualy you should be able to do it withought him moving. It worked for Trooper, he now stands still and brings his head toward the .

**Im sure you have already done this but you may also want to make sure that the bridle isnt uncomfortable, or that he hasnt had any bad experiences with a bridle,causing him to not want the bit.
     
    04-15-2010, 11:31 AM
  #24
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Originally Posted by 5cuetrain    
I don't know anyone who can out muscle a horse. I know some who can out think them.

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You only have to control the head, the rest follows. You can out think a horse thus you can also beat him at his own games.
I never feel inferior to a horse even when it comes down to one on one.

There's not an animal on earth that man can't beat.
     
    05-06-2010, 01:47 AM
  #25
Foal
Don't Start With THE Goal

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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
I always start a young puke with a goal. From the minute I start handling him I peel away all the bad habits and only leave the finished product.

Like a scupture, he just cuts the stuff that doesn't belong freeing the trapped scupture that he sees in his mind.

I know what a finished product should be and discard all the bad behavor , the unwanted behavor leaving a finished horse.

I definitely have a goal in mind.

Exactly, you have the goal in mind, but you don't expect the clay to form itself into that goal, you chip away. That is what I mean by not starting with THE goal. You REACH a goal through lessons and repetition : )
     
    05-06-2010, 02:59 AM
  #26
Yearling
Sweeten the bit with a little maple syrup or honey. Peanut butter works too. Then accepting the bit is a little reward.

You could always get one of the Aussie type halter/bridle combos. Its a halter you leave on, and it has rings with snaps to snap on the bit. They work very nice.
     
    05-06-2010, 04:18 PM
  #27
Weanling
Its not about the bridle, its about a brace in his neck. When the lower muscles on a horse's neck get tight, the head comes up. The distance from the throat latch to the base of his neck is longer than the distance from the poll to the withers, like this horse.

(Sorry for the photo, couldn't find a better example. Im not trying to offend anyone by this, just a great example of what I mean in the neck)
Sometimes horses tighten or brace muscles from habit, or in response to something without them even knowing they're doing it. All they know is its uncomfortable. I had a big draft cross guy in training that was hard to bridle and did just what yours does, only when he wanted to leave he went backwards. I taught him that when I ran my thumb fingernail down those lower muscles. (The muscle that joins to the shoulder, like the photo below.)

It gave him awareness that he muscles were tight and would trigger him to want to release the tension as you're sliding your nail over it. Pressure will vary, I had to press quite hard for my guy. The moment he lower his head and softens those neck muscles, stop with the nail and pet him. You will slide your nail down the muscle slow, you wont be raking it over, remember you want to try and encourage the horse to soften the muscle so that it looks more like this,

(Note how the distance from this horse's throat latch to the base of the neck is shorter than the distance from the withers to the poll, that's what you want.)
Once you have taught him on both sides to lower his neck by running a nail down the muscle, you can start to incorporate the bridle. Put the bridle up to his face, keep the halter on. Fix him if he tries to leave, or just follow him to the corner of the stall. When he tightens his neck and raises his head, start to work his muscle with your nail/s. When he softens, pat him but don't remove the bridle. Pretty soon he will get a softer look in his eye and keep his head down for the bridling. Anytime those muscles tighten, help him out. Tell him, "Hey, dude. Your muscles are tight here do you realize this? Let me show you how to release it."
Like I said, it's probably not about the act of bridling, its the brace in the neck which causes discomfort, which causes him to associate discomfort with the bridle.

     
    05-06-2010, 06:03 PM
  #28
Weanling
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Originally Posted by draftrider    
Sweeten the bit with a little maple syrup or honey. Peanut butter works too. Then accepting the bit is a little reward.
This is what I did with one of my young QH's and a 5yr old Percheron that didn't want the bit. They both would give to pressure fine until you tried to put the bit in, then they would extend his head out so you couldn't get the bit in his mouth.

I started coating the bit in strawberry jam (it's all I had). It took them one session to realize that taking the bit was a good thing. I did that for about 3-5days. When he would except the bit every time I would stop putting the jam on every once in a while and work up to never having it on. Now you can bit him anywhere no problem.
     

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