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post #31 of 44 Old 02-13-2010, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Seahorseys View Post
Do you have a trainer? Alot of what you say are Chance's problems seem like they would be dealt with swiftly and without issue by someone that is a well-seasoned horse trainer, as they would expect to see those things in re-training a horse, and it unwarrants too much mention from them, because it is settled before the issue has a chance to snowball further. Alot of the behaviour I have encountered while training my horse troubles and frustrates me initially, and then my trainer comes out and 98% of the time I'm doing something incorrectly or she handles my horse and straightens it out and we move on. I too rode horses for 9 years, but owning my first untrained horse was like greek to me - until I found a very valuable translator, my trainer. In fact, riding was such a technical thing for me, I rarely thought about the mental processes of a horse, I was self-engulfed, even when riding greenies. To be on the ground or training undersaddle, that truly makes you accountable for your actions and how they effect the life and learning path of a horse when its in such an impressionable phase, rather then riding a horse that knows the MO and can deal with your imperfections in seat and cue coordination. sometimes, we just can't do that on our own. I'm not saying sell the horse and move on to a 15 year old 4H pony. I guess I'm saying that you need someone that is going to force you out of this caretaker-child relationship and push you towards a healthier teacher-pupil relationship, so that you don't have to ride a ticking timebomb for the rest of the years you own him. We owe it to our horses to admit we can do better, especially if we are basically backyard trainers. We have to keep our head over water because without the help we'll just, well you know, ride on with the analogy, haha.
Can't agree more on that!
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post #32 of 44 Old 02-13-2010, 12:01 PM
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I did the same thing with my first horse that you're doing with Chance, except I had alot less experience than you and my horse didn't have spaz attacks she was just hot so she wanted to run ALL the time, she didn't walk or whoa when I got her - she just jigged and galloped. In late April, it'll be two years ago that we first started working with her. Now we're doing really well, but we STILL have much much much more work to do. I believe the quote 'no one can teach riding so well as a horse' and I'm glad you're not letting anyone discourage you, but I think you need to REALLY soak in the posts on here also.

Someone posted with quotes from you saying they think this is about you trying to prove yourself to other people, I'm starting to believe that. You need to FORGET about other people and focus on the HORSE. Why on earth are you jumping Chance?! Until you have ALL of her quirks worked out, you should NOT be jumping. And riding bridleless without a helmet.... Stop trying to prove yourself and start protecting yourself! You are putting yourself in what could be extremely dangerous situations. I strongly believe the ONLY reason people ride bridleless without a helmet is to make it LOOK like they have oh soooo much trust between their horse and them when really they're never sure if their horse is going to stop when they ask it to. It doesn't make them look cool, it makes them look STUPID.

I know what it's like to have people doubt you and your horse, you want to prove them wrong SO bad but what you need to understand is that takes TIME. The longer and harder you work, the better you'll be! They may say you're not so great now (and just recently I've had someone tell me I'm a bad rider because it's taken me so long with my horse) but if you are POSITIVE what you're doing is working, you just laugh at them because you know your horse WILL be amazing - maybe not now, but someday when your hard work pays off. If you're not willing to take the time (and ALOT of time it can be) to train your horse properly, you should sell it and buy one that is already trained. It's simply not fair to your horse to be rushed and doing things when it clearly isn't ready to.

You seem extremely eager, probably TOO eager to the point it seems like you're rushing yourself AND your horse. I think you need to take a step back, focus on your horse and stop rushing everything. I don't mean for any of this to be rude, but it probably came across that way - sorry.

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE wear your helmet!

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^^couldn't agree with you more on all of that. I actually pmmed her about it.
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Yeah well I've been through it all with mine too. Cowboy trainers telling me I'll never "get" this horse, and then the horse and I go on and do something amazing together. Screw all the experts. They don't really know everything, and the best ones will admit that. All horses are dangerous under certain circumstances. The very best thing I've ever heard was Ray Hunt's "you gotta figure out what happens before what happens, happens." That's got it all, right there.
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post #35 of 44 Old 02-13-2010, 08:01 PM Thread Starter
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kmd - A LOT of what you said was right. I feel liek i have to prove people wrong.. and I do push when people are around only because I feel liek I need to show chance off to people who thought she was nothing or w.e. Which ends up getting me in trouble. Im slowly working on that.

I knew chance was gonna stop when I rode her bridleless because we worked on it for ages with a bridle on teh stopping with out reins. I was sure on that. I wasnt jsut getting on and going .. hoping for the best lol I was confident in her as far as that goes.
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You DON'T have to prove people wrong. Sometimes your pride isn't worth dying over. ;) Of course, ANY horse can kill you, even a mini.

I strongly believe that this horse could make someone with a higher level of education a very nice mount. Sometimes you have to do what you can and let someone else with more know-how get them to the level at which they excel.

What will you do if the vet scan comes up clean? Then, will you admit to YOURSELF that you did something(or a lot of things) wrong?
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If anything its most likely something mental especially the only time she does anything is in the winter thats it. But I feel strongly that its something physical.
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post #38 of 44 Old 02-13-2010, 08:25 PM
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the best horses are the ones people give up on. It really sounds like you're doing a great job on Chance. I hope you continue to help her more. She reminds me so much of what people thought of Meg and what people think of Gracie now. Gracie's a major work in progress.

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post #39 of 44 Old 02-13-2010, 08:28 PM Thread Starter
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Tempest - Ive heard that a few times! So many awesome sucess stories with horses people just gave up on. Chance was given up on many times by her ex owner when she was 2 abused her, sold her back to the former abuser which is where i got her.

Thank you :]
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post #40 of 44 Old 02-13-2010, 08:32 PM
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If there is a mental imbalance, would you continue riding the horse?

And nice way to avoid my question.
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