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    03-09-2012, 01:13 PM
  #21
Yearling
I contacted Richard Caldwell awhile back with basically the same question I asked here. He responded very quickly but his answer wasn't the most promising. He didn't know of anyone over this way that could help me with the spade stuff. I also contacted another guy. I can't remember his name but he has the Modern Vaquero ensure. Never heard from him. My wife and I are going to a buck brannaman clinic( just to watch) in October. Maybe there will be some folks there that can point me in the right direction to start down the path. I have my 5 yr old going pretty good( well I think so) in a hackamore. I got him when he was 3 and don't know much of his previous training. I started riding him in a snaffle and then moved him to a hackamore. I still have plenty of time before I even think about getting a spade. I just want to know more before I spend 375-400 bucks for a spade to find out it won't work with him. That and I don't want it tone a bad experience for him or me. I also have a 3 yr old that is going decent in the snaffle but I haven't moved him to the hackamore. He's still aways away for that. I've been having a hard time getting any consistent riding since the little one was born and the screwy weather.
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    03-09-2012, 01:20 PM
  #22
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
I contacted Richard Caldwell awhile back with basically the same question I asked here. He responded very quickly but his answer wasn't the most promising. He didn't know of anyone over this way that could help me with the spade stuff. I also contacted another guy. I can't remember his name but he has the Modern Vaquero ensure. Never heard from him. My wife and I are going to a buck brannaman clinic( just to watch) in October. Maybe there will be some folks there that can point me in the right direction to start down the path. I have my 5 yr old going pretty good( well I think so) in a hackamore. I got him when he was 3 and don't know much of his previous training. I started riding him in a snaffle and then moved him to a hackamore. I still have plenty of time before I even think about getting a spade. I just want to know more before I spend 375-400 bucks for a spade to find out it won't work with him. That and I don't want it tone a bad experience for him or me. I also have a 3 yr old that is going decent in the snaffle but I haven't moved him to the hackamore. He's still aways away for that. I've been having a hard time getting any consistent riding since the little one was born and the screwy weather.
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Buck has a series on making a bridle horse. Maybe if you get the chance ask him.
     
    03-09-2012, 02:52 PM
  #23
Trained
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Yep! That guy is pretty handy, he shows at the NCHA snaffle Bit Futurity too. Which that was the whole idea behind the futurity.

Chief Rojas designed the futurity with this style of horsemanship in mind. You were supposed to bring the same horse back every year ans show him in each stage....well you can see what it turned into.

Chief Rojas wrote an excellent book about that and the history of this style horsemanship, can't remember the name of it right now, but I will dig it out.
The NRCHA...not the NCHA.

And the book is by Arnold Rojas, These Were The Vaqueros.
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    03-09-2012, 03:02 PM
  #24
Trained
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Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
I contacted Richard Caldwell awhile back with basically the same question I asked here. He responded very quickly but his answer wasn't the most promising. He didn't know of anyone over this way that could help me with the spade stuff. I also contacted another guy. I can't remember his name but he has the Modern Vaquero ensure. Never heard from him. My wife and I are going to a buck brannaman clinic( just to watch) in October. Maybe there will be some folks there that can point me in the right direction to start down the path. I have my 5 yr old going pretty good( well I think so) in a hackamore. I got him when he was 3 and don't know much of his previous training. I started riding him in a snaffle and then moved him to a hackamore. I still have plenty of time before I even think about getting a spade. I just want to know more before I spend 375-400 bucks for a spade to find out it won't work with him. That and I don't want it tone a bad experience for him or me. I also have a 3 yr old that is going decent in the snaffle but I haven't moved him to the hackamore. He's still aways away for that. I've been having a hard time getting any consistent riding since the little one was born and the screwy weather.
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That definitely sucks that you don't have anyone near you help you. I think Richard Caldwell has a Youtube video to kinda help explain fitting a horse with a spade. Les Vogt does too. It sounds like it is going to be hard for you to find a bit because you will have to order one rather than walk into Capriolas and pick some up in your hands and feel them. The good thing is that once you buy one if it doesn't work they make for good trading material and you may be able to trade for one more fitting for your pony.

I have the Buck Bridle Horse series on VHS....I just found them digging out the Rojas book..lol...if you have a VHS player I would be more than happy to send them to you to watch.
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    03-09-2012, 03:27 PM
  #25
Yearling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
That definitely sucks that you don't have anyone near you help you. I think Richard Caldwell has a Youtube video to kinda help explain fitting a horse with a spade. Les Vogt does too. It sounds like it is going to be hard for you to find a bit because you will have to order one rather than walk into Capriolas and pick some up in your hands and feel them. The good thing is that once you buy one if it doesn't work they make for good trading material and you may be able to trade for one more fitting for your pony.

I have the Buck Bridle Horse series on VHS....I just found them digging out the Rojas book..lol...if you have a VHS player I would be more than happy to send them to you to watch.
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    03-09-2012, 03:31 PM
  #26
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I thank you very much for the offer however I no longer have a VHS player. I have been thinking of getting the bridle horse series from buck though. The whole bridle horse thing may just be a pipe dream . Hopefully I may be able to find some leads in October at the clinic. I wish I could ride in it but it is kinda pricey and the lady that is putting it on said they usuall are sold out by the end of the weekend for the following year. Not to mention im working 2 of the 4 days.Maybe I can learn by watching and being a sponge.
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    03-09-2012, 06:01 PM
  #27
Trained
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Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
I thank you very much for the offer however I no longer have a VHS player. I have been thinking of getting the bridle horse series from buck though. The whole bridle horse thing may just be a pipe dream . Hopefully I may be able to find some leads in October at the clinic. I wish I could ride in it but it is kinda pricey and the lady that is putting it on said they usuall are sold out by the end of the weekend for the following year. Not to mention im working 2 of the 4 days.Maybe I can learn by watching and being a sponge.
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Don't give up, it just sounds like it's going to be more trial and error rather than having a mentor guide you through. If you have any reined cowhorse trainers close that will help, that is as close to it as you may get. Also buy a membership to "Giddy Up Flix" I think it is like $11 a month and you "rent" dvds like Netflix. They have like 70 titles of Vaquero style dvds. Buck, Bruce Sandifer, Richard Caldwell, and a bunch of others and documentries. I forgot to tell that to Evansk too, that way you don't get stuck with a dvd you paid a small fortune for and don't like.
     
    03-09-2012, 06:07 PM
  #28
Weanling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Don't give up, it just sounds like it's going to be more trial and error rather than having a mentor guide you through. If you have any reined cowhorse trainers close that will help, that is as close to it as you may get. Also buy a membership to "Giddy Up Flix" I think it is like $11 a month and you "rent" dvds like Netflix. They have like 70 titles of Vaquero style dvds. Buck, Bruce Sandifer, Richard Caldwell, and a bunch of others and documentries. I forgot to tell that to Evansk too, that way you don't get stuck with a dvd you paid a small fortune for and don't like.
Good thing I'm subbed to this thread! I'll check out Giddy Up Flix. Sounds like a good deal for $11 a month! :)
     
    03-09-2012, 06:12 PM
  #29
Trained
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Originally Posted by Evansk    
Good thing I'm subbed to this thread! I'll check out Giddy Up Flix. Sounds like a good deal for $11 a month! :)
It's pretty cool, you can get anything from cowhorse training videos to yoga for riders to trick training. They even have all the PP, CA "super secret club" videos without having to join the "super secret club" if anyone is interested....
     
    03-09-2012, 09:37 PM
  #30
Showing
Is this a good example of a bridle horse? Saw it while surfing YouTube and thought it was pretty impressive.

     

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