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    11-20-2009, 08:30 PM
  #11
Weanling
Approach and retreat...ask to hold the foot for 1 second then repeat until the horse is perfectly fine with it and knows what you mean...then increase the time but only once he is ok with the time already.

I do not agree at all with scotch hobbling the leg or forcing the horse to keep the leg up...if the horse "explodes" changes are he's frightened and coming from an abused background hobbling will mentally hurt the horse and possibly physically also
     
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    11-20-2009, 08:36 PM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
I do not agree at all with scotch hobbling the leg or forcing the horse to keep the leg up...if the horse "explodes" changes are he's frightened and coming from an abused background hobbling will mentally hurt the horse and possibly physically also
I'm sure that wouldn't happen as long as she was using a Parreli Savvy rope.
     
    11-20-2009, 08:40 PM
  #13
Green Broke
I'd be interested what your method would be with a horse like Jynx - there's no fear, there's a stubborn will that was compounded by being allowed to get her way. Picking up the foot and setting it down didn't work because she'd let me do that fine from the beginning - it was holding the foot for longer then a couple minutes. Then she'd simply blow, and do every maneuver known to man on three legs to get her leg back. There was no shaking, no snorting, no spooking, as soon as she had her leg back she promptly dove for the nearest food she could find.

I'm all for being gentle and all, but when a horse is endangering people like that, it's not ME that's going to get hurt. My method worked just fine, and she gives her feet like a dream now. She may lean back and try to pull her leg away once in awhile, but a simple word and she's still again. There's no fear, no resentment, and I can pick up her feet with a touch now. I gave her two ways to do it, and she realized my way was a lot easier then her way.
     
    11-20-2009, 08:49 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I'm sure that wouldn't happen as long as she was using a Parreli Savvy rope.
and what is that supposed to mean exactly?
     
    11-20-2009, 08:58 PM
  #15
Trained
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Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
and what is that supposed to mean exactly?
Please don't take it personally. I just wanted to get your goat a little. I don't use the scotch hobble on every horse and I'm carefull how I do it. The reality is that a horse that is hard to trim and shoe is not going to have very good hoof care so however I have to get them good about thier feet is beneficial to them in the end.
     
    11-20-2009, 09:03 PM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Please don't take it personally. I just wanted to get your goat a little. I don't use the scotch hobble on every horse and I'm carefull how I do it. The reality is that a horse that is hard to trim and shoe is not going to have very good hoof care so however I have to get them good about thier feet is beneficial to them in the end.
oh I agree with that, but I don't think that forcing a horse especially one that has had a tramatic past is for the well being of the horse...I know alot of farriers (well not alot, but many in my area) that will do as much as they can with a horse with their foot on the ground if they have problems...of course they expect that problem to get better, but will work with the horse until it does.
And yes it might be good physically, but mentally?

Yes I agree that if the hooves get so bad that the horse could seriously hurt themselves, then some more drastic methods must be taken for their well being...just like if one of my horse's had a colic case and had to get into the trailer...I'd use any method to get them in asap, but if it were not an emergency, I'd take the time it takes
     
    11-20-2009, 09:08 PM
  #17
Started
I taught my baby to pick up all his feet. I had a hard time getting the fronts off the ground. And a hard time getting him to stop kicking with the hinds. As soon as he would lift for me I would hold if for a few seconds then put it down before he would start to kick. Id pat him, and do something else. Id keep going back when he wasnt anticipating it (at random times.) Are you giving him rewards for each good hoof give? If he puts it down without you letting go ask for it asap. Let him know you stil want it, and you weren't done. I try to hold thru the kick, but of course its alot easier with a weanling then a larger horse. I notice he gives easier when I grab the front of his pastern with my outside hand, and ask for him to lift up with my inside hand.
     
    11-20-2009, 09:30 PM
  #18
Weanling
My BO trains horses to lift their feet by lifting the horse's leg up to his belly with one hand and a leadline in the other. If he kicks or fusses he lets go of the foot and immediately starts to spin the horse in tight circles. After three or four circles he does it again. If the horse is calm, he goes to the next leg, of he isnt, more circles.

Once he can lift both front legs and hold them and pull both hind legs up to the stomach without trouble then he starts extending the hindleg. If the horse reacts negatively, more circles.

It works well and teaches the horse to respect without fear. You can alter the method depending on the situation, if the horse is just giving attitude, be very quick and maybe give them a smack on the bum . If the horse is scared or nervous, still act quickly, but be much more gentle asking for the circles.
     
    11-20-2009, 09:39 PM
  #19
Weanling
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But wouldn't that be if the horse was just doing it because it didn't want to? If a horse is frightened, punishing by circles would not be a good way to do it IMO
     
    11-20-2009, 09:47 PM
  #20
Trained
Why can't you accept that there is more than one right way. A horses mind is not so fragile as to be permantly ruined by other than the most gentle handling. Horses are not made of glass it takes alot to seriously damage them.
     

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