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post #21 of 63 Old 01-08-2008, 07:35 PM
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ps Tim....... someone other then me took offence to what got posted on WIK because it now reads completly different again and is no longer containing anything that suggest any spur stopping horse will need to be slaughtered!

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post #22 of 63 Old 01-08-2008, 11:10 PM
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ps Tim....... someone other then me took offence to what got posted on WIK because it now reads completly different again and is no longer containing anything that suggest any spur stopping horse will need to be slaughtered!
yea, and that wasn't me either. glad to hear that though.
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me too

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post #24 of 63 Old 01-19-2008, 09:47 PM
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I used to ride WP horses, and I hate spur stops, but you need them to win. It is a confusing signal to a horse, a basic summary is spur says go, rein says whoa, enough said, so I don't train my horses to spur stop anymore.
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post #25 of 63 Old 01-20-2008, 12:28 PM
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I used to ride WP horses, and I hate spur stops, but you need them to win. It is a confusing signal to a horse, a basic summary is spur says go, rein says whoa, enough said, so I don't train my horses to spur stop anymore.
But I will argue with you here. Horses are not pre-wired from birth with a "spur says go, rein says whoa" instinct.
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post #26 of 63 Old 01-20-2008, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
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this is absolutly correct.

if you are not an advanced rider to use it then don't. There are other ways to train horses and like Lane and Tim said, please show me a world champian wp horse who is not spur trained.

IMO i think that it is harder to ride a horse that is spur trained.

It cannot be confusing to horse, when the horse dosen't know any diffrent, if anything people don't like it because it is confusing to them.

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I see everybodys point, I just don't like a lot of things about WP period. Don't get me wrong, it's a lot of hard work to get a good WP horse. But I don't do it anymore because it's so artificial in a lot of ways, I think a horse that is pleasureable is a horse that moves naturally and doesn't have it's head cranked down or anything like that. I know this will tick some people off, but thats how I feel.
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And by the way, spur stopping is done so that we can have a drapping rein. But if you read most rule books, they state that a rider should NOT have a drapping rein, but have light contact. They also state the the horses poll should be inlign with the withers. If WP trainers went by the rule book, it wouldn't bother me at all.
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Oh they do train to the rules, but western pleasure is often judged based on AQHA rules at open shows. The biggest reason is that the USEF refuses to make any distinction between western and english pleasure horses, and their events are so heavy on the english, a lot of the WP people just go back to events that use the AQHA rules. Even my 4-H circuit uses AQHA rules for the western divisions... You may be right, but it all depends on which rulebook you quote.

Anyways, the AQHA have done a lot to turn around the image of Western Pleasure that many people still hold as a result of the "peanut roller" days. Nonetheless, headsets are more widely accepted within the "level topline" margin, whereas the USEF nazi's require poll to withers. Most good aqha pleasure horses will be between poll and eartips, leaning more to the eartips for a jog and poll for the lope.

Still, you are correct. Spur stopping is a good way to keep your horse on a draped rein, and if you watch world championships, you will notice a lot of draped reins. Now, really, those horses didn't get to the world show for nothing... if they were really breaking rules like crazy, they wouldn't be competing at that level. It sure as hell isn't an open show.

You can also read earlier posts to hear other reasons why people use spur stopping over bit pressure if you like. I'm not going to reiterate.
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Oh they do train to the rules, but western pleasure is often judged based on aqha rules at open shows. The biggest reason is that the USEF refuses to make any distinction between western and english pleasure horses, and their events are so heavy on the english, a lot of the WP people just go back to events that use the aqha rules. Even my 4-H circuit uses aqha rules for the western divisions... You may be right, but it all depends on which rulebook you quote.

Anyways, the aqha have done a lot to turn around the image of Western Pleasure that many people still hold as a result of the "peanut roller" days. Nonetheless, headsets are more widely accepted within the "level topline" margin, whereas the USEF nazi's require poll to withers. Most good aqha pleasure horses will be between poll and eartips, leaning more to the eartips for a jog and poll for the lope.

Still, you are correct. Spur stopping is a good way to keep your horse on a draped rein, and if you watch world championships, you will notice a lot of draped reins. Now, really, those horses didn't get to the world show for nothing... if they were really breaking rules like crazy, they wouldn't be competing at that level. It sure as hell isn't an open show.

You can also read earlier posts to hear other reasons why people use spur stopping over bit pressure if you like. I'm not going to reiterate.
thanks Tim...... Saved me from saying it.

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