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    03-27-2009, 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Skippy!    
Hey guys!

(i ride with a tom thumb, not a high port or med. Port bit)

Anywhoo... I look forward to your repsonses! =) I hope you don't mind me side tracking the thread for a minute ^^
Just an aside - a tom thumb is a very server bit....more so than a simple curb with a low or med port....
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    03-27-2009, 04:20 AM
I don't know. I don't agree with training your horse the spur stop and I am with bgood on this one. Constant spur pressure or bumping can create tail wringers and ear pinners. In my mind, it is much better just to teach them to keep a certain pace until you tell them to change it and keep with the traditional cues.
    03-27-2009, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
Just an aside - a tom thumb is a very server bit....more so than a simple curb with a low or med port....
just remember a bit is only as severe as the hands...
    03-28-2009, 09:51 PM
Thank you every one for you comments, I'll take everything into careful consideration. :)
    03-29-2009, 05:16 PM
I don't realy spurs are nessary. Beacuse you just take the back of your heel and do the same thing.
    03-29-2009, 06:22 PM
I'm on the other side of the fence... I've ridden in spurs maybe once or twice? I just hate the idea that my horse might become dependant on them, and I wont be able to ride him without them.

I find the idea of a spur stop very strange... lol. I've always learnt that the 'whoa' aids come from your seat and to a degree your hands/voice. Your legs are there to position your horses body, lift their belly, etc... Not to enforce a whoa. I aim for my horse to always move off my leg, not into it... Hmmm. So not sure how a spur stop would work!!
    03-29-2009, 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Starlight    
I don't realy spurs are nessary. Beacuse you just take the back of your heel and do the same thing.
I use spurs for refinement. If I were to just 'take the back of my heel' as you say, and ask for a pivot on the haunches, I'm only giving him a vague idea of what I want, seeing as my cues for other things are in that general area of his side. My heel isn't small enough to push that one specific button to get what I want.
    03-29-2009, 07:14 PM
You are correct Mira, spurs are for refinement! They are also for the 'yes, you HAVE to' aid. Remember that every aid should not be given from the spur first--you always use the calf, and then the spur when the horse does not listen to a light touch. Spurs are like whips--you use them if you have to, but not all the time.

The AQHA has a few videos and articles about how spur stopping is incorrect (On the same page at 4-beating and low heads), and that they are trying to get it OUT of the western world. This is for one main reason--you need forward impulsion to engage the hind end, and it is very hard to pinpoint the impulsion of each hind leg when your horse has been taught to stop when you squeeze! Or even worse, go slower when you hold in your spurs. In order to collect your horse, the first thing you need is forward motion--and you can not achieve that whilst riding the brake.

I do understand the appeal of spur-training, however. You can get your horse to do a lot without ever touching the reins, which looks good in a class. However, you can achieve the same result with training your horse off of your seat--it just takes longer. My horse stops, backs, and rounds his back off of my seat, and my legs are used as they have been intended--to encourage forward motion and engagement of the hind end.

Good luck in whichever you choose. ;)
    03-29-2009, 07:17 PM
I like your post, Mayfield!!!

My horse also stops, backs etc. off my seat, and haunch turns, rollbacks etc off my leg, minus spurs. Nearly everyone in the ASH showing world uses spurs for these manouvers, but if I'm getting the same results without them, I don't see why.

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