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    11-06-2010, 09:42 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by JumperDak15    
Because he needs the growth... He was starved as a baby But he's got nice bloodlines and I do plan on breeding him eventually if he shows promise and does well in shows. He is my horse I can do whatever I like with him I was just curious about everyones opinion on studs in the ring.
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No need to get hostile... I didn't criticize you. Just asked a question....

don't plan on keeping him a stud for long though, til next year & that's probably it, unless I decide other wise.

This is why I asked.... You didn't say anything about breeding if he turned out alright. I took it as you were already going to geld him, so wondered why you hadn't already then.
     
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    11-06-2010, 10:01 PM
  #22
Foal
I Have always taken My Stallion to shows. His first show was as a yearling & he has always behaved well, I think it is unacceptable for them to behave badly & I expect the SAME behaviour from my stallion as I do from any Mare or Gelding. There is a place for stallion/breeding behaviour and the show ring or while being ridden or driven is most certianly NOT the time! With a competant handler Stallions are able to behave pleasingly if they have been well trained and are well handled.
     
    11-06-2010, 11:42 PM
  #23
Foal
Yikes snarky much? Anyway, stallions are fine in the show ring, some will like to "drop" in the ring and that's not exactly favorable. However, when shown by someone competant and knows to always be on the defensive and aware of others it is fine. You have to keep your guard up and dicipline any studish manners right aware (fixating on mares for example) and warn people you have a stallion present. The tail ribbon doesn't always work since most people don't have a clue what the colours mean.

You also have to consider the stabling of a stallion at shows. Many mares are in heat at shows and you can't constantly have his nose full of Vicks, so he has to be well mannered in the stalls as well or you won't be welcomed back if he destroys things.

Once you start going to shows your stallions reputation can be enhanced or ruined. It's a gamble so make sure you have excellent training ahead of time before letting him be seen by the public. Bad impressions are hard to overcome.

And in terms of showing him as a stallion....unless he is going to improve the breed, has exceptional conformation and has outstanding performance being a cross (quarter horse x arabian? ) is already a black mark against him. So I'd cut him and show him with the geldings.
     
    11-07-2010, 01:30 AM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by JumperDak15    
Because he needs the growth...
actually, many veterinarians and breeders concur that gelding a horse leads to more height, whereas gelding late will give you a shorter stockier horse. Testosterone affects growth leading to earlier closure of growth plates in developing bones.

"Many owners delay gelding their colts until after puberty (around two years), when they have been broken in and perhaps had their first preparation, in the belief that gelding before puberty stunts the growth and hinders development. In fact, the opposite is true!
A rush of testosterone in the colt during puberty is responsible for triggering the closure of the growth plates in the long leg bones. Without this hormonal rush, the early gelded horse's growth plates stay open longer and he therefore may continue to grow taller and develop more than his 'entire' or late gelded peers..."

Stallions may appear taller than geldings but it's mostly their presence.

Oz Horse Racing: A-Z Of Australian Racing

Horse Castration

http://www.horsekeeping.com/horse_he..._aftercare.htm
     
    11-08-2010, 08:10 PM
  #25
Foal
You know GCSM16 i'm pretty tired of you BS. MY vet said to keep him as a stallion and it's MY horse and I don't need you to tell me anything. You have commented on rude things on all my youtube videos, all my forums, and also judged me. If you know so much about MY colt then maybe keep your mouth shut. I know who you are, maybe stop making it so noticable. Oh yeah forgot to add, you also tried to say that someone else was me. So back off and stop stalking me!

He is my horse, just like your horse is yours, seriously stop.

I wasnt being snarky I was stating that he's mine and I can do whatever I like with him, and if I keep hiim as a stud til he's 9 then I do, so shush
     
    11-08-2010, 08:45 PM
  #26
Banned
I don't know what's going on between you two.... but I will say that GCM is correct.... keeping him a stallion will more than likely bulk him up rather than make him grow taller.
Keeping a horse a stud or gelding them isn't going to make that big of a difference in their height.... genetics plays a bigger role in that, along with the fact that the horse is going to be whatever height he is destined to be.
I've known people to keep one a stud a little longer so they won't grow taller. For instance a friend of mine kept a pony of hers a stud til he was 4 since he was on the edge of being too tall to measure for a pony card. Her intentions were for keeping him from growing anymore.... But I still don't think either way will affect a horses height.
I don't know what you mean by "growth".... are you wanting to acheive more height or do you want him to be more stout?
     
    11-08-2010, 09:09 PM
  #27
Foal
Bulkiness is what I want from him. The impressive neck …etc.. I know about the height and etc. I’ve had stallions and many geldings and mares. My family and I used to breed TB’s. I kept my TB a stud til he was 3; I wanted the bulk. He grew like crazy in bulk & height I like my horses to have bulk.

I’ve had to many problems with this GCSM16 person & I’m pretty tired of them. I’d appreciate them not commenting on everything of mine. & thinking that I am a country bumpkin and they also need to stop thinking that they know everything about my horse. (FYI I really don’t plan on breeding him GCSM16, so just cause I keep him as a stud for as long as I want, shouldn’t concern you)

This was a general question; had nothing to do about my horse at all. Just wanted to start conversation..


He’s got enough height in him, I’m not worried about that. He was starved as a foal & I’m trying to help him over come that & my vet who said keeping him as a stud longer will help him over come the starvation. And it’s really helping.



So maybe we should all go back to talking about stallions in the show ring, not my little guy cause this really wasn't even about him.


Thanks -
     
    11-08-2010, 09:36 PM
  #28
Banned
Well, then that makes more sense.
I don't know if any of your attitude was towards me at all, but I haven't said one cross thing towards you.
But I do want to point out, you said This was a general question; had nothing to do about my horse at all. Just wanted to start conversation..

When you actually brought up your horse and showing him next year... so you are the one that brought your own horse into this. Yes, he is your horse and you can do what you want. I am the one who wondered why you hadn't gelded already, since you already planned to eventually.... just out of curiosity. When you said he needs the growth, we were just simply telling you it wouldn't make much difference in height.

But we've cleared it all up now, and now realize you are wanting the bulk factor.
Good luck with your horse.
     
    11-08-2010, 10:17 PM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by JumperDak15    
(FYI I really donít plan on breeding him GCSM16, so just cause I keep him as a stud for as long as I want, shouldnít concern you)

Thanks -
You just said you planned on breeding him
     
    11-08-2010, 10:21 PM
  #30
Foal
I had a friend that could ride his stallions any where without anything. The stallions were just trained as so when they had their tack on they were buisness, no screaming, dropping, or even glancing at other horses was permitted and the stallions were good as gold.
     

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