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    08-18-2012, 03:58 PM
  #1
Foal
Standing straight and still

I am working on training my horse to stand still, and to stand straight. She usually walks a bit backwards sometimes, and alot of turing sideways. I tap her hindquater. Sometimes she goes back straight, and sometimes turns far to the opposite side. What is the best way to teach her not to do this.
     
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    08-18-2012, 04:26 PM
  #2
Foal
You have to seperate these two things and train them apart.

Then think if there is may be something you do that makes the horse go crooked. Is your weight evenly devided in your stirrups, do you relax when your horse is standing still, are your reins the same lenght, etc.

First train your horse to stand still. You can also begin to train this from the ground and put a command on it.

Tips:
-If you start from the ground: stand still yourself. Be relaxed, exhale and keep your shoulders soft. If you work from the saddle: be relaxed and sit still in the saddle, exhale and keep your shoulderjoints soft and all your other joints too but keep your back stright (not overstreched).
-reward the slightest try of your horse. If he is slowing down, relax your reins. If he is still walking give the soft aid again.
- try first a few seconds (counting out loud will help)
-some people recommand putting your horse back where you where if he starts to walk, but sometimes this is confusing for the horse (since you start giving all kinds of riding aids and your purpose is standing still and give 'no' aids)

Once your horse know what 'halt' means you can start working on standing still straight. You can also start training this from the ground and tap softly (!) the leg that has to come under. Reward only when the horse stands straight (a treat works really motivating for the most horses). A helper can come in handy in the beginning.

If your horse has difficulties standing straight it can also be a sign that your horse is crooked. A straight horse has no (physical) problems to stand straight.
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    08-18-2012, 07:40 PM
  #3
Foal
I cannot ride her yet, and she does not have a crooked back, she just turns sideways. First I will train her to stand tied for long peiod of time, and then I will try to train her to be straight. Thanks for the tips
     
    08-18-2012, 09:43 PM
  #4
Trained
Agree with Hippo, to isolate the separate behaviours you want her to learn & teach them separately before combining.

I teach horses to yield softly to 'pressure' wherever I direct it. So for eg. If I point/tap at a hindquarter, that is what moves away. If I point/tap at the chest or nose, the horse knows to go backwards. So sounds like your horse may be doing just that when you tap her hq. I wouldn't direct any energy at any part of the body that you don't want to move away.

To begin teaching to stand still, give the cue(whatever you choose) & reinforce(reward) every tiny 'right' try - even if to begin with it's just that the horse stands for a second because she's distracted or confused about something. When she moves, that's when you put the pressure on - eg. She walks forward, you back her up. She spins, you spin her back to where she was. Then reinforce her for being there. With repetition she'll soon learn that you want her to just stand & do nothing. Then you can start asking her to do it for gradually longer. Also you can make the most of fences & such, to 'block' the 'wrong' answers & make the 'right' ones more likely.

Once the horse has learned well to yield to pressure and has learned to stand on cue, then you can just ask it to move various bits of it's body individually - eg one foot a small amount - to get him 'square'.
     
    08-18-2012, 11:00 PM
  #5
Foal
Do you stand still along a fence? Some horses don't like that. Try standing still more away from the fence. Play a little in finding out where standing still is the best place. Work there first for a while.

With 'crooked' I did not mean a crooked back, but more crooked in general/in their body. That a horse has 'an easy side' and a 'difficult side'.
     
    08-19-2012, 11:40 AM
  #6
Foal
Loosie: Thanks for the advice
HippoLogic: No, I do not stand along a fence. Now I get what you mean by crooked. She does not really have a difficult side. I groom her, and pet her on both sides, and she does not mind it. Thanks

.Actually I just remembered, sometimes she walks sideways when I walk to the other side, not away, but toward me. But still she randomly does this. And over time, she stops doing it. Today I will work on it
     
    08-19-2012, 11:49 AM
  #7
Showing
Look in to clicker/treat or reinforcement training. Once my horse understood the click happens when he's doing it correctly it will be followed by a reward. Great motivator and if done correctly your horse will not mug you for treats. Always extend your arm so the horse has to turn it's head away, even a little for the treat. Since mine was familiar with this method of teaching, it took maybe 20 min for him to stand with his feet glued to the ground while I walked around him. He's at liberty so can walk off if he chooses but he knows he won't get a treat if he does. Within another 15 min I could circle him about 20' away. I stand in front of him, to the side a little hold my hand like a stop sign about 3' from his nose, say stand and maybe walk to his shoulder. If he remains still I click and go back and reward him. Again with the hand, stand and go mid rib. This is with my left hand always touching him. Horses don't see well as it is and worse behind them so your hand lets him know exactly what you are up to.
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    08-19-2012, 05:13 PM
  #8
Foal
Thanks, this morning I tried sometthing that might work. First I let her stand tied for 10 mins. She moved around back and forth. Then time for the lesson. I stand right in front of her and tap her hindquarter back in place as soon as she goes sideways. When she moves back, I pull her with the lead back where she was. As a reward, I pet her, stand back and relax. I also started to walk in circles around her. I say alot of "good girl", and she knows she is doing something right. So the lesson ended really well. Is this a good idea? Also, is there any videos about this probelm? Send me the link. Thankyou
     
    08-19-2012, 10:57 PM
  #9
Started
When I taught my mare to stand I had nothing to tie her to that could hold her. So instead I stood in the middle of our paddock and drew a square in the dirt with my foot. I walked my horse into it and said 'Stand'. I took a step away, she followed cause she had no idea what this new command was. I immediately backed her into her box and repeated 'Stand' with a scratch and stepped away again. Each time she moves I replaced the part of her that moved. If she moved more than 1 step out of her box she was made to work, I yielded her front end, hind end, backed her up and made her dance for about 1 serious full minute, then replaced her in the box and repeated "Stand". The first day I couldn't get to her tail without her spinning to be facing me again. By the end of the lesson I could walk circles around her and walk away about 2 steps without her following. By the end of the week she learned to stand wherever I put her and however far I got away. Though I've caught her moving a few times when she can't see me anymore :P Practice makes perfect.
     
    08-20-2012, 10:27 AM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
When I taught my mare to stand I had nothing to tie her to that could hold her. So instead I stood in the middle of our paddock and drew a square in the dirt with my foot. I walked my horse into it and said 'Stand'. I took a step away, she followed cause she had no idea what this new command was. I immediately backed her into her box and repeated 'Stand' with a scratch and stepped away again. Each time she moves I replaced the part of her that moved. If she moved more than 1 step out of her box she was made to work, I yielded her front end, hind end, backed her up and made her dance for about 1 serious full minute, then replaced her in the box and repeated "Stand". The first day I couldn't get to her tail without her spinning to be facing me again. By the end of the lesson I could walk circles around her and walk away about 2 steps without her following. By the end of the week she learned to stand wherever I put her and however far I got away. Though I've caught her moving a few times when she can't see me anymore :P Practice makes perfect.
This is a good idea, I will try this. Its similar to what I was doing except without the box. That will really help me. Thanks
     

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