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    04-21-2011, 11:02 PM
Standing tied issue.

The mare I just bought freaks out when ever she is tied or is held by a lead. Its fine when someone is holding the lead but twice now she has broke something when tied still.

First, she bent a pole she was tied to when she freaked out and pulled back.

Second, todays issue, she wasn't going to be tied for but a meer 5 minutes while I switched the other horses around since she is still learning how to play nice with them. I was still tying her up when she starting stepping back, I tried to calm her down in time but the lead tightened and she freaked out. She reared up several times before the lead snapped, flew back, and hit my hand which is now very sore.

I've heard of Clinton Anderson ties and such, any other ideas for a horse that needs to be trained to not freak out when pressure is applied? If you do, tell me how to use it and maybe a quick link?
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    04-21-2011, 11:40 PM
I have/had one of those horses! I learned to tie well!

So, I use a neck strap. Clip the lead onto the ring of the neck strap, run the lead end through the throat latch and then the bottom ring of the halter. Tie to something big and strong with nothing else around that the horse can hit. The side of the barn is ok only IF you have something very solid to tie to -- a grade 5 eyebolt right through 6 inches of solid wood (eg. Log wall, like my barn); a large enough hardwood tree with no low branches (minimum 10" diameter I'd say -- for something like a maple or oak tree); a 8" square post sunk 4 feet into solid ground or cement. If you can move it with a pick-up truck, it's not strong enough. Tie reasonably short -- 18" maximum, I'd say... guestimating here. I'd have to go out and tie and actually measure it. The idea is that it's long enough the horse can relax when ready, but not so long that (s)he can get a front leg over it, or the head under it.

Let her fight it out. Honestly, they figure it out pretty quick if they can or can't break free. If they figure out they can pull and get free, they will do it again and again.

Edited to add: if the lead snapped, use nylon rope for tying and good solid snaps. I learned about the snaps when my mare broke the snap. The weakest link in the chain...
I did this with my 17.3 mare. She fought for about 5 minutes maybe (seemed like waaaaay longer though), then just tested it out every once in a while. I let her stand there for over an hour. From then on, EVERY time I tied her, ANYWHERE (except cross ties), she had the neck strap on. Thank goodness too because months later, something stupid spooked her when tied. She pulled so hard she brought her back end under her like a reining horse. I told her to "stand". Took twice for the command to get her attention and then she did, with an expression like, "Oh. Ok. Ya, what was I freaking out about again?"

You may have more issues than just tying though. Does she usually yield to pressure in other situations? I know my mare didn't and I had to teach her that as well.
    04-21-2011, 11:46 PM
I would have to disagree with letting the horse fighting it out because although it get results sometimes it is creating alot of fear in your horse that can lead to other issues...but there are several things you can try for instance tieing her up with a lunge line And just staying with her when she pulls release quickly it may take more time but they eventually stop setting back and there will be no repercussions. Hope that's helpfuL.
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    04-22-2011, 12:05 AM
I just remembered that I did this with a 2 year old belgian stud that I bought too. He had NEVER been trained to stand tied. Can you imagine? One session within about 5 minutes of arriving at my barn and problem solved. Course at that time, I didn't know about the neck strap. Good thing that as it happened the way I tied him, he didn't have enough give to do much more than blink. He was just too dang strong for me to take any risks, so I tied him short and through two or three hitch rings in a pulley type arrangement.

Neither of theses horses developed any fear issues from their session.
    04-22-2011, 12:17 AM
I am of the same mind as NM, especially if it has become a habit for the horse to sit back until they break something and get loose. I prefer rope halters for all tying simply because they are virtually impossible to break. I have also found out that if you don't have a lead rope without a snap on it, you can run the rope through the halter ring or ring on the neck rope, double it back, and snap it to itself and that will prevent the snap from breaking most times. Always tie them short enough so that they can't get tangled in the rope and it is better if you can have the actual solid tie above their poll level. Something to do with that being less likely to hurt their neck than if they are tied low.

On the other hand, there are some horses that will continue to fight, regardless of how many times you do this. I've never had one but I've heard that the tie blocker ring works but a simple way to get very similar results is to just wrap the lead around a solid horizontal tie post several times where the horse gets some resistance but doesn't run into the trap of a solid tie.
    04-22-2011, 10:41 AM
Smrobs is right -- make sure you don't use a leather halter. They will break. Nylon or rope is correct!
    04-22-2011, 11:32 AM
IMO a patience pole is what we use. I have mentioned it in my other posts. We put a telephone pole up in the middle of the pasture for this exact purpose. We use a rope halter too. My 3 yr old was exceptionally bad at tying so we did the neck strap which with in the matter of minutes he realized and changed his attitude. Just as everyone else has said do not tie them long where they can get tangled. Unforunatley it is a positive reinforcement she is getting when she is breaking lead ropes so she has esentially trained herself to do this to get free. I don't want to see her get hurt so take it slow. A couple seconds is a victory at this point. Don't let her stand there and throw a fit the first few times because it will scar her as the others have said. So tie her pet her and untie her go do something else and do it again. Work up to where she is good for a minute or two with you standing there before you just leave her there to fight it out.
    04-22-2011, 03:38 PM
Tying a horse and letting them "fight it out" is not teaching a horse to tie. This is how you teach a horse not to tie. There is another link that has an article attached which describes how to teach a horse to tie.
    04-22-2011, 08:18 PM
I appreciate the suggestions but I wouldn't feel comfortable letting her fight it out. I would be afraid she would hurt herself, especially since she is underweight. She was rescue when I bought her so I have no idea if she was physically abused or if she was tortured while tied. Less potential harming ideas would help
    04-22-2011, 08:36 PM
I am not at all suggesting let her fight it out I am trying to suggest working her into it with a sturdy pole she can't hurt herself. For a couple seconds with her attention focused on you petting her and each time increase the time a bit working away from the petting. A couple seconds and walk away with her. Don't leave her there take her with you. Work on something else and go back to it after. Work up to where she will stand there with you then eventually let her by herself with you out of sight but still watching. She has given herself positive reinforcement to this point by breaking away change the positive to being tied and getting rubbed and loved on vs. Being free. If you really want to you couls start it with ground tying. Sorry if my previoys post sounded like I was suggesting letting her fight it out.
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