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    10-30-2012, 03:01 PM
  #1
Yearling
Standing and tying

My mare will stand tied but she paws the ground the whole time. I have been ignoring her and just leaving her standing there and only approaching when she stops. We haven't gotten over it yet though.

I had to teach her to tie and I used the same method which worked wonders, within 2 sessions she stopped pulling and throwing her temper tantrums except the pawing. Should I keep at it or try another technique? What other techniques can I use? Anyone else have this problem?

Its annoying because 1) she tears up the ground, leaving ruts and kills any grass. 2) She is already a pushy disrespectful horse 3) sometimes I feel like she is going to paw me the way she reaches her foot out and up occasionally and 4) its just plain rude horse manners.

Any advice is welcome. Thanks! And we are already doing lots and lots of ground work and yielding to pressure exercises. She was a very spoiled horse and I have a lot of work to do with her still.
     
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    10-30-2012, 03:54 PM
  #2
Green Broke
Tie her standing on a stall mat, they can't dig a hole. Leave her tied and ignore her completely until she quits even if its all day.
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    10-30-2012, 04:06 PM
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Showing
Look at it from her point of view. She's trying to tell you she feels trapped. Drop the lead on the ground, tell her whoa and see what she does. If she stays, offer her a treat or scratch an itchy spot. Often times because a horse knows it can leave if that horse eating predator shows up, it will stay. If she walks off, just bring her back, no repercussion, no anger.
     
    10-31-2012, 01:13 AM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Tie her standing on a stall mat, they can't dig a hole. Leave her tied and ignore her completely until she quits even if its all day.
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That comes pretty close to what I did, I had two horses with this problem. The stall mat wasn't a fix but at least I didn't get mad at the holes in the ground. Other than that - I couldn't think of a good fix so just ignored it, and both horses quit doing it after a few month. I rode them maybe 3 or 4 times a week and had them stand tied before/after for a little while. I am not sure if tieing them for hours and hours helps, I do believe, though, that tieing them as often as possible for a little bit teaches them "no reason to panic, this will be over".
A quick fix - but this is very old time and not necessarily a good one - is to tie something to their pastern that hits their legs every time when they paw. Kind of that they hurt themselves thus quitting the behavior. I am not saying I recommend this, but I have seen trainers doing it.
Good luck!
     
    10-31-2012, 01:25 AM
  #5
Yearling
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Originally Posted by caljane    
That comes pretty close to what I did, I had two horses with this problem. The stall mat wasn't a fix but at least I didn't get mad at the holes in the ground. Other than that - I couldn't think of a good fix so just ignored it, and both horses quit doing it after a few month. I rode them maybe 3 or 4 times a week and had them stand tied before/after for a little while. I am not sure if tieing them for hours and hours helps, I do believe, though, that tieing them as often as possible for a little bit teaches them "no reason to panic, this will be over".
A quick fix - but this is very old time and not necessarily a good one - is to tie something to their pastern that hits their legs every time when they paw. Kind of that they hurt themselves thus quitting the behavior. I am not saying I recommend this, but I have seen trainers doing it.
Good luck!

I read that in a very old book. Tying something to the leg. My conceern was, what if the horse freaks from that . Then you have a horse running aroung with somthing attached to her leg..Call me paranoid...
I heard of some kind of ring you could put on the cornary band, when they paw, its annoying, but good for the cornary band to stimulate growth or something like that ..IDK.
I had always just given a treat when they are standing quiet and would walk away when they are pawing, wait until they stop and give another treat and say good boy or good girl..
     
    10-31-2012, 09:29 AM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by caljane    
ThA quick fix - but this is very old time and not necessarily a good one - is to tie something to their pastern that hits their legs every time when they paw. Kind of that they hurt themselves thus quitting the behavior. I am not saying I recommend this, but I have seen trainers doing it.
Good luck!
I used to have a block of wood tied to a velcro strap. Fit it above the knee and they would bang themselves when they pawed. Also you can take a horse shoe with the heels turned in a tad and slide it on the pastern. I found hardcore pawers get savvy to this trick though. They wouldn't paw with with the shoe or the block of wood but as soon as it was off they would go back to pawing. I rode a barrel horse and a OTTB that would dig huge holes. If not shod would wear their toes to sore nubs and still wouldn't stop. I had to hobble them if tied for any length of time. It obviously didn't didn't cure the problem but it kept them from hurting themselves. (They wouldn't paw if I was standing close but as I was out of sight).
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    10-31-2012, 02:17 PM
  #7
Yearling
She is very impatient and has never been asked to stand or tie before I got her. When I got her she was a pasture ornament who was spoiled into a very very pushy and disrespectful horse. She is a 9yr old polish arab. She drags her feet and has worn down her toes already, so I don't want her to wear them down any farther. So she hasn't been tied for very long at a time. Our farrier is coming out on the 3rd, to deal with the toe issue. I have not ridden her due to her lack of disrespect. She has been ridden before and was very well behaved but I want to cure some bad manners before we start trail riding. She is being worked with 3x a week. Tues, Thursday, and one day of the weekend.

I can't just drop the lead rope because if she does move and she steps on it, she will freak out. Another issue I would like to correct asap. If she steps on her lead rope, she goes into complete panic mode and it's quite difficult to get her off her rope and calm her down. She is not a spooky horse at all either. The only time I've seen her freak out is if she steps on the lead rope.

I don't think tying anything to her leg will work, she is the type of horse that will figure out not to do it and then the moment it is off I am betting she will be right back at it.

I have been standing her on a stall mat but the pawing is not just when tied. It's anytime she has to stand still. If we are out walking and I stop to talk she starts pawing. Its impatient on her part and drives me nuts.
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    10-31-2012, 05:37 PM
  #8
Showing
Put her in a paddock if available and let her figure out the lead rope. She likely pop her head up when she steps on it but she'll learn to walk with her head turned enough that she doesn't step on it. If you don't want to or don't have the paddock, toss the rope over her back. Use a long one so it will hang off her hip. You can grab it while grooming if she starts to walk off.
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    10-31-2012, 06:49 PM
  #9
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
Put her in a paddock if available and let her figure out the lead rope. She likely pop her head up when she steps on it but she'll learn to walk with her head turned enough that she doesn't step on it. If you don't want to or don't have the paddock, toss the rope over her back. Use a long one so it will hang off her hip. You can grab it while grooming if she starts to walk off.
I have been thinking about just letting her figure it out. We have a round pen I could use. Any suggestions? Just let her figure it out? She panics and it is the only time I have ever seen her panic.

When I groom her I do toss the lead rope over her back and she will stand there unless I walk off. Even standing there with the lead rope over her back she will paw. She doesn't do it her very often while I'm grooming her but she does do it. And she does it when I stop to talk to a friend for too long. It seems like impatience to me.

Here is a video link of her tied to a tree:
     
    11-01-2012, 12:08 AM
  #10
Yearling
Impatient horses get tied to trees...all day...for days. I will go and tie them in the morning and let them stand all day with a bucket of water and I will BRING them food. I am not going to leave them tied with something to do...they are going to learn to be PATIENT when tied. I cannot stand a horse who sits and paws huge holes...drives me CRAZY.

So I would leave her tied all day for about a week and see how she is doing....I would feed her, then take her out and tie her. If you don't want it tore up find a mat to put there until she figures out PAWING gets her nowhere.
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