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post #11 of 17 Old 07-17-2008, 12:19 AM
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Solo, You only hold it a tad bit shorter, but alternating every now and then is a good idea so he isn't harder in one side of the mouth than the other

Hrt4dressage.... Sorry, I never explained but I don't do this softening exercis until AFTER the one you described. I make sure that they are very light in flexing laterally both ways and that they completely understand how to give to the bit.

After that then I do this exercise I described because they understand how to give to bit pressure. And yes they do round their backs and put more weight on their hindquarters. Most of this is because you have to "arch" their back with your legs a bit and keep them going and on the bit.

Glad you said that though. It gave me a chance to clear things up. It's all in my head, but I sometimes skip things when I post.
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post #12 of 17 Old 07-17-2008, 12:24 AM
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Hrt4dressage.... Sorry, I never explained but I don't do this softening exercis until AFTER the one you described. I make sure that they are very light in flexing laterally both ways and that they completely understand how to give to the bit.

After that then I do this exercise I described because they understand how to give to bit pressure. And yes they do round their backs and put more weight on their hindquarters. Most of this is because you have to "arch" their back with your legs a bit and keep them going and on the bit.

Glad you said that though. It gave me a chance to clear things up. It's all in my head, but I sometimes skip things when I post.
I just realized from your post in the critique section too that you ride western, which explains some of the differences in approach. I do dressage and some jumping.

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post #13 of 17 Old 07-17-2008, 01:08 AM
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Hrt4dressage.... Sorry, I never explained but I don't do this softening exercis until AFTER the one you described. I make sure that they are very light in flexing laterally both ways and that they completely understand how to give to the bit.

After that then I do this exercise I described because they understand how to give to bit pressure. And yes they do round their backs and put more weight on their hindquarters. Most of this is because you have to "arch" their back with your legs a bit and keep them going and on the bit.

Glad you said that though. It gave me a chance to clear things up. It's all in my head, but I sometimes skip things when I post.
I just realized from your post in the critique section too that you ride western, which explains some of the differences in approach. I do dressage and some jumping.
Yeah, it might have some difference to do with it. But a lot of people's method's are different though and a lot of the time you have to change for the horse. But I did leave out the huge point of doing your exercise first. That was a HUGE part!
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Thanks so much guys! This will really help me! Sorry if I confused y'all by saying collection. I really just want him to be on the bit. He's a camp horse, so I don't want to put him through too much stress by making him collect and stuff.

But again, thanks!

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Yeah, it might have some difference to do with it. But a lot of people's method's are different though and a lot of the time you have to change for the horse. But I did leave out the huge point of doing your exercise first. That was a HUGE part!
Absolutely... but there is a large difference in the western pleasure world vs the english world on training tactics... I agree you do need to change depending on the horse, however I still feel like using the reins without the aide of the leg will result in flexion in the jaw and the base of the neck. The horse isnt so much "round" as his head is just down. Using the reins to achieve a headset does just that -- it sets the head, not the body.

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post #16 of 17 Old 07-17-2008, 03:04 PM
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I flex my horse a lot and just ride a lot in general and it has helped her become more collected !


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post #17 of 17 Old 07-17-2008, 04:50 PM
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Yeah, it might have some difference to do with it. But a lot of people's method's are different though and a lot of the time you have to change for the horse. But I did leave out the huge point of doing your exercise first. That was a HUGE part!
Absolutely... but there is a large difference in the western pleasure world vs the english world on training tactics... I agree you do need to change depending on the horse, however I still feel like using the reins without the aide of the leg will result in flexion in the jaw and the base of the neck. The horse isnt so much "round" as his head is just down. Using the reins to achieve a headset does just that -- it sets the head, not the body.
I only don't use the leg cues at the stand still when they are just starting to learn about giving vertically, and then I use legs when I ask for them to be on the bit. Just to clear that up :) So they do round their backs. Honestly, when I start doing this the horses have more of an English style headset than a WP one. They lower their head in their own time when they feel comforatable.

I believe there is a lot of differences between the western and english world, there's no doubt.

So, Amightytarzan5, don't worry about the angle of his neck yet, but I have a feeling he already has it down because he is a trail horse, but I could be wrong. But you will have to use your legs when you are moving to keep him going, and therefore he will start to round his back.

Hopefully that makes sense.
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