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post #11 of 26 Old 02-07-2012, 09:12 PM
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It sounds like she's going well so far. I'm assuming you're at walk / trot with her. I'd not ask for a canter until she is comfortable in walk trot. On the lunge if she is bucking consistently this is something you might want to fix before getting on.

One thing I noticed with Ella was in the early stages if I stood and lunged there would be bucking and oth various hussy fits. If I walked around as I lunged her not an issue. Once she had that bigger circle she was fine. She was struggling with her balance on the small circle.
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We have retrained many track horses. The best way to prevent a bolt is to teach the horse to insticntively halt when you tell it to. This starts on the ground. It's the second thing you teach it under saddle the first being to move off your leg calmly. You teach your horse to stop reflexively under saddle by doing about three thousand half halts and halts. With high powered horses you have to be careful you don't buzz the horse up in the process. Space the halts and if your horse starts to excite you may have to circle and move on. The only effective way I know of to stop a bolt is to double your horse around. If it is going full speed that can be dangerous and some horses can run with their nose bent to the stirrup. You are a lot safer if you start your horse in a smaller working area like 60 feet square or round. You are correct in that you need a good road map of where you are going with your horse and how to get there. Most off the track horses are initially too much for any but the most experienced riders.
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It sounds like she's going well so far. I'm assuming you're at walk / trot with her. I'd not ask for a canter until she is comfortable in walk trot. On the lunge if she is bucking consistently this is something you might want to fix before getting on.

One thing I noticed with Ella was in the early stages if I stood and lunged there would be bucking and oth various hussy fits. If I walked around as I lunged her not an issue. Once she had that bigger circle she was fine. She was struggling with her balance on the small circle.
Hi Prinella, yep at walk/trot at the moment. Thanks, i'll try a bigger circle while lunging...maybe balance is the issue. Thanks again
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We have retrained many track horses. The best way to prevent a bolt is to teach the horse to insticntively halt when you tell it to. This starts on the ground. It's the second thing you teach it under saddle the first being to move off your leg calmly. You teach your horse to stop reflexively under saddle by doing about three thousand half halts and halts. With high powered horses you have to be careful you don't buzz the horse up in the process. Space the halts and if your horse starts to excite you may have to circle and move on. The only effective way I know of to stop a bolt is to double your horse around. If it is going full speed that can be dangerous and some horses can run with their nose bent to the stirrup. You are a lot safer if you start your horse in a smaller working area like 60 feet square or round. You are correct in that you need a good road map of where you are going with your horse and how to get there. Most off the track horses are initially too much for any but the most experienced riders.
Thanks for all that info from your experiences! Yes i won't do anything for the first time in the open paddock, i'll use the round yard and making sure she will halt STRAIGHT AWAY when i tell her to means she'll be listening to me even more and if she goes to buck/bolt i will be able to get her to halt. Definately going to start teaching her this from the ground. Thanks alot
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My trainer told me not to sweat bucking on a lunge or free lunge. The horse can move at his speed as long as he moves and doesn't stop until I say whoa.

Sam will lope and buck the first few circles if I haven't worked him in a while and he is hot. One reason I do lunge him is to get his wiggles out before mounting.

Are you sure this is an issue to be concerned with? Is it bucking or playful galloping?

A one hand stop is what I was taught to bring Sam into control if I ever feel out of control and a whoa was ignored. Bring either rein to the same knee bringing the horses head to your knee. It disengages the rump and they can't buck. I practice this often. It bends the horse but also teaches him to stop. The first few times he circled in place a few rounds.

Really examine the bucking during lunge. It may be more frolick than you think. I enjoy watching Sam give a little buck to his gallop. He is moving carefree and since I am not on him that's ok.

Just like your horse, Sam will give a buck if I redirect him during the lunge. I guess since my trainer told me not to sweat it, I have no worries with him bucking while riding (from that at least).

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My trainer told me not to sweat bucking on a lunge or free lunge. The horse can move at his speed as long as he moves and doesn't stop until I say whoa.

Sam will lope and buck the first few circles if I haven't worked him in a while and he is hot. One reason I do lunge him is to get his wiggles out before mounting.

Are you sure this is an issue to be concerned with? Is it bucking or playful galloping?

A one hand stop is what I was taught to bring Sam into control if I ever feel out of control and a whoa was ignored. Bring either rein to the same knee bringing the horses head to your knee. It disengages the rump and they can't buck. I practice this often. It bends the horse but also teaches him to stop. The first few times he circled in place a few rounds.

Really examine the bucking during lunge. It may be more frolick than you think. I enjoy watching Sam give a little buck to his gallop. He is moving carefree and since I am not on him that's ok.

Just like your horse, Sam will give a buck if I redirect him during the lunge. I guess since my trainer told me not to sweat it, I have no worries with him bucking while riding (from that at least).
Thankyou for all that! I will really take notice of the type of buck as it's not aggressive or directed at me so it could be what you say and maybe there really is nothing to be worried about it's probably just playful. Thanks for that idea, i'm sure i'll be able to get her to do a one hand stop because i've taught her to flex which really helped calm her down when i started riding her and get her use to seeing me on her back
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Bucking on the longe line.

One other comment. I makes me crazy when I see people allowing their horse to buck on a longe line. Anytime you have a lead or line on a horse it should be under your control. Some people think allowing them to buck gets it out of their system. What it does is reinforces the behavior and the horse is likely to buck and be difficult to control every time it is put on the line. It encourages bad behavior. If a horse acts up on the longe line I immediately either make it halt or I crack the whip and get its feet moving forward. If you want to let your horse blow off a little steam turn it loose in a turn out or arena. If the horse is permitted to buck on a line it will be more apt to buck under saddle since it hasn't been taught not to buck when it is restrained.
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One other comment. I makes me crazy when I see people allowing their horse to buck on a longe line. Anytime you have a lead or line on a horse it should be under your control. Some people think allowing them to buck gets it out of their system. What it does is reinforces the behavior and the horse is likely to buck and be difficult to control every time it is put on the line. It encourages bad behavior. If a horse acts up on the longe line I immediately either make it halt or I crack the whip and get its feet moving forward. If you want to let your horse blow off a little steam turn it loose in a turn out or arena. If the horse is permitted to buck on a line it will be more apt to buck under saddle since it hasn't been taught not to buck when it is restrained.
I totally agree with this. It scares the hell out of me that people are advising you to allow this sort of behaviour while the horse is caught. It makes no difference if the buck is playful or aggressive. It husrts just as much when you hit the ground.
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One other comment. I makes me crazy when I see people allowing their horse to buck on a longe line. Anytime you have a lead or line on a horse it should be under your control. Some people think allowing them to buck gets it out of their system. What it does is reinforces the behavior and the horse is likely to buck and be difficult to control every time it is put on the line. It encourages bad behavior. If a horse acts up on the longe line I immediately either make it halt or I crack the whip and get its feet moving forward. If you want to let your horse blow off a little steam turn it loose in a turn out or arena. If the horse is permitted to buck on a line it will be more apt to buck under saddle since it hasn't been taught not to buck when it is restrained.
That makes a lot of sense to me...i too have heard lots of people say (even 'good' trainers) that it's fine as they can let off steam, they have even recommended lunging before every ride to get the 'bucking' out of them, but i really get what you're saying...there's no way i'd allow her to carry on when i'm leading her from the stable to the yard or to the paddock so why would i accept any different on the lunge??....if i continue to accept it i'm sure it will just get worse and probably transfer to bucking when she's being ridden. Thanks
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I will clarify. My horse has only pulled the gallop buck on free lunge. Not a line. I dont lunge him on a line myself.

Also, I do the head to my knee at a stop to practice. Not in motion. I work both sides to bend and teach him to stop circling. Should I ever need to stop him that way I am hoping to be more prepared.
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