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        01-14-2013, 12:35 AM
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    Under saddle-how can I get a good canter to walk transition on whoa?
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        01-14-2013, 12:37 AM
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    You really should just use different words. I get that you're trying to use tone to make them different but he's a horse - he doesn't understand nuance. He doesn't think 'oh her tone is deep and slow so she must want x'. Use a word like "easy" to slow down, or something else. Whoa should be stop, no matter how you say it. The change in tone is more to help YOU change your nonverbal cues to match your intent. The horse does not match a tone with an intent.
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        01-14-2013, 12:41 AM
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    Under saddle-how can I get a good canter to walk transition on whoa?
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    Maybe I don't understand what you mean but I'm saying quit using just whoa. What I meant by making whoa mean whoa is only use it for stopping if you must have a verbal cue you can enforce by saying "Walk" when you want to walk or "Trot" when you want to trot. But in my opinion it sounds like your relying too much or verbals to begin with I mean they are great for lunging but I think if you want good consistent transitions you should be worried more about your seat and rein cues don't you think? Well that's JMHO.
         
        01-14-2013, 12:47 AM
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    You really should just use different words. I get that you're trying to use tone to make them different but he's a horse - he doesn't understand nuance. He doesn't think 'oh her tone is deep and slow so she must want x'. Use a word like "easy" to slow down, or something else. Whoa should be stop, no matter how you say it. The change in tone is more to help YOU change your nonverbal cues to match your intent. The horse does not match a tone with an intent.
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    I understand what you're saying, and I agree now. I guess I just needed someone to point it out to me!
    I ultimately want whoa to mean complete stop. I still use my seat and reins but I really want him to get whoa in his head.
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        01-14-2013, 12:48 AM
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    Maybe I don't understand what you mean but I'm saying quit using just whoa. What I meant by making whoa mean whoa is only use it for stopping if you must have a verbal cue you can enforce by saying "Walk" when you want to walk or "Trot" when you want to trot. But in my opinion it sounds like your relying too much or verbals to begin with I mean they are great for lunging but I think if you want good consistent transitions you should be worried more about your seat and rein cues don't you think? Well that's JMHO.
    My sister's horse stops on whoa, and that's all she uses. He's great at it.
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        01-14-2013, 12:57 AM
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    Voice cues are great, when you get them right and make sure you continue to only accept the right response. But you shouldn't really use "whoa" for a downward transition. Brock is great with voice cues - if I want him to transition down from a canter to a trot, for example, I go "aaaaand TROT!". But he can be cantering ("CAN-ter") and if I say "whoa" (and sometimes reinforce by bringing my weight back when in the saddle or bringing my whip to my side while free schooling) and he'll stop on the spot. So find something that is different for downward transitions (especially if it tells him which gait he should transition into - you may want to do a canter-walk transition for example) and accept nothing less than the correct response. Brock's verbal cues were retrained by me (he had some before I got him but I prefer others) so it shouldn't be too hard to fix this.
         
        01-14-2013, 12:59 AM
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    My sister's horse stops on whoa, and that's all she uses. He's great at it.
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    I mean there's nothing wrong with teaching your horse to stop on a verbal I'm sure it can come in handy. But I personally when riding like to manage my horses body movements with my seat and maybe a light rein cue to me that's a ton more practical use of my time in training. I don't want to look like a idiot yelling at my horse shouting verbal commands out in an arena with people watching. Like if I'm sorting cattle I'm not going to be like "zig" "zag" "rollback" "run" you get my point, using my seat and rein is a LOT more practical. But maybe you don't do stuff like that so maybe verbals are more practical for you to teach.
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        01-14-2013, 01:04 AM
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    I mean there's nothing wrong with teaching your horse to stop on a verbal I'm sure it can come in handy. But I personally when riding like to manage my horses body movements with my seat and maybe a light rein cue to me that's a ton more practical use of my time in training. I don't want to look like a idiot yelling at my horse shouting verbal commands out in an arena with people watching. Like if I'm sorting cattle I'm not going to be like "zig" "zag" "rollback" "run" you get my point, using my seat and rein is a LOT more practical. But maybe you don't do stuff like that so maybe verbals are more practical for you to teach.
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    I understand what you're saying. I want him to listen to my seat and hands, but I just see lots of horses that can stop really well on whoa and I wanted my horse to be able to stop that way too.
    I do hunter under saddle, btw.
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        01-14-2013, 01:05 AM
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    So if I want him to stop on whoa from the canter and he doesn't, should I stop and back him?
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        01-14-2013, 01:09 AM
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    I understand what you're saying. I want him to listen to my seat and hands, but I just see lots of horses that can stop really well on whoa and I wanted my horse to be able to stop that way too.
    I do hunter under saddle, btw.
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    Then I say if you want to use verbals in conjunction with riding then be sure to give your seat and rein cue FIRST before the verbal that way if your in a position that where you can't verbalize your horse isn't completely reliant on it. And use distinct separate words for each verbal command .

    EDIT: And if in a whoa if he doesn't stop immediately give a firmer command if he still doesn't stop then back him up a few steps and make him stand still. But as he starts to behave you want to make it were your stopping cue is returned to a light cue. I'd practice good stops at a canter on the ground also work your way up to the canter whoa make sure his whoa's are perfect at a walk and trot first.
         

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