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    08-30-2011, 08:03 PM
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Question A story, and more complicated join up question. . .

Hello.

I am going to jump right in and I will try to make it brief. I am working with and amazing little peruvian paso. He is beautiful and amazingly responsive once he has been caught. He is 10 years old and wasn't started under saddle or even worked with at all until he was eight. Many people tried to "break" him the traditional way, failed, and gave up on him. These people left him traumatized and seeing people with much trepidation. Finally, his owner, who is also the owner of the ranch, hired a natural horsemanship trainer to work with him. That this trainer did, and this poor little guy improved quickly I am told. The owner doesn't know much about horses, he is merely a business man that only has half a clue. After six months of this NH training, he stopped it. He said the horse didn't need it anymore.

That was six months ago, and since then, this horse hasn't gotten out of his paddock more than twice and that was to be galloped on the trails. :( By the way, he lives with another peruvian paso who is slightly more confident.

Three months ago I arrived at this ranch from a terrible cruel other stables that I had followed my instructor to(another story). I melted like I never had before when I saw him. I started to volunteer with him. I didn't try to catch him, and I couldn't even get close to him while standing in the paddock.

To make a long story short, the owner wanted money(which, as a volunteer, I wasn't giving him) so he caught the horse, tacked him, and let a girl that has very heavy hands ride him all over the trails. She has two horses of her own. I don't have my own horse. I arrived right when she was untacking and I was furious. I helped her rinse him off because she couldn't tell that he was about to bolt. She tried to release him from the tight stupid bit-less bridle and he was loose in his paddock. I finally caught him after she and her mother failed.

I was worried they would take him away from me after this incident, so I began to full lease him. I was able to catch him after taking the other horse out and using the join-up type method. Eventually, he would come to me at the gate. I would take him for jogs on the trail(me on the ground). I would play parelli games with him. He was improving so quickly. The problem was that he would jump away as soon as I took the halter off.

The owner decided to move a pony in with them, changed his mind, changed them into new paddocks, and then I got mad at him so he put them back. The damage was done and I didn't compensate for the set back. I pushed the horse too hard and let him not come to me a few to many times(i had released him into a huge round pen when he wasn't ready for another new space). He realized that I wasn't able to lead him anymore. I took me an hour to get him to come to me and let me halter him. Next day, it took me half an hour to catch him. Keep in mind he used to come to me at the gate.

That was last week. I wanted to try something new. He is a very instinctual horse still. I know we will join up eventually.
In the past, he comes, lets me touch him, and jumps away as if I'm unfaltering him. He does this if I don't halter him immediately too.

I know this takes time, but how do I get him to stick with me without a halter?

The answer to the last question will probably coincide with this one, but how do I stop him from jumping away from me?

Thanks for at least looking over the book I just wrote, and feel free to ask any detail questions of me.

Cheers,
Lee Rose.
     
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    08-30-2011, 08:21 PM
  #2
Foal
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Originally Posted by Lee Rose    
Hello.

I am going to jump right in and I will try to make it brief. I am working with and amazing little peruvian paso. He is beautiful and amazingly responsive once he has been caught. He is 10 years old and wasn't started under saddle or even worked with at all until he was eight. Many people tried to "break" him the traditional way, failed, and gave up on him. These people left him traumatized and seeing people with much trepidation. Finally, his owner, who is also the owner of the ranch, hired a natural horsemanship trainer to work with him. That this trainer did, and this poor little guy improved quickly I am told. The owner doesn't know much about horses, he is merely a business man that only has half a clue. After six months of this NH training, he stopped it. He said the horse didn't need it anymore.

That was six months ago, and since then, this horse hasn't gotten out of his paddock more than twice and that was to be galloped on the trails. :( By the way, he lives with another peruvian paso who is slightly more confident.

Three months ago I arrived at this ranch from a terrible cruel other stables that I had followed my instructor to(another story). I melted like I never had before when I saw him. I started to volunteer with him. I didn't try to catch him, and I couldn't even get close to him while standing in the paddock.

To make a long story short, the owner wanted money(which, as a volunteer, I wasn't giving him) so he caught the horse, tacked him, and let a girl that has very heavy hands ride him all over the trails. She has two horses of her own. I don't have my own horse. I arrived right when she was untacking and I was furious. I helped her rinse him off because she couldn't tell that he was about to bolt. She tried to release him from the tight stupid bit-less bridle and he was loose in his paddock. I finally caught him after she and her mother failed.

I was worried they would take him away from me after this incident, so I began to full lease him. I was able to catch him after taking the other horse out and using the join-up type method. Eventually, he would come to me at the gate. I would take him for jogs on the trail(me on the ground). I would play parelli games with him. He was improving so quickly. The problem was that he would jump away as soon as I took the halter off.

The owner decided to move a pony in with them, changed his mind, changed them into new paddocks, and then I got mad at him so he put them back. The damage was done and I didn't compensate for the set back. I pushed the horse too hard and let him not come to me a few to many times(i had released him into a huge round pen when he wasn't ready for another new space). He realized that I wasn't able to lead him anymore. I took me an hour to get him to come to me and let me halter him. Next day, it took me half an hour to catch him. Keep in mind he used to come to me at the gate.

That was last week. I wanted to try something new. He is a very instinctual horse still. I know we will join up eventually.
In the past, he comes, lets me touch him, and jumps away as if I'm unfaltering him. He does this if I don't halter him immediately too.

I know this takes time, but how do I get him to stick with me without a halter?

The answer to the last question will probably coincide with this one, but how do I stop him from jumping away from me?

Thanks for at least looking over the book I just wrote, and feel free to ask any detail questions of me.

Cheers,
Lee Rose.

I had a horse that did this and the way I fixed it was to have two lead ropes, one attached to the halter and the other around his pole. When I took his halter off I still had a hold of the rope around his pole. I kept a grip so he learned to know that "halter off doesn't mean RUNNNNNN". Eventually I would let lose and say "Go on..." or something of that nature and he would saunter away. It takes consistency but it worked for me.
     
    08-30-2011, 08:27 PM
  #3
Foal
Thanks for replying.

Funnily enough, I actually did that for a while and it was working. I would put the rope around his neck and slowly inch the halter off while keeping some pressure on the rope. It worked but, I must have done something wrong because he just started plowing through the rope after a few seconds of having the halter off. The improvement was that he no longer jerked his head out of the nose portion of it.

I feel that if I can get him to join up with me at liberty, he will me much less likely to jump away at all. I want to learn how to communicate to him that he can relax if he stays with me and follows me at liberty.

Thanks again,
Lee.
     
    08-30-2011, 08:32 PM
  #4
Green Broke
I guess I'm confused. Do you own this horse?
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    08-30-2011, 08:34 PM
  #5
Foal
Lol sorry. You are confused because this situation is stupid and confusing. I am leasing this horse. I am the only person working with him. It is like ownership except I don't pay for vet and farrier bills.

Feel free to ask any other questions.

Lee
     
    08-30-2011, 08:36 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Ok, so if you are leasing him, you pay a lease fee? Does this mean you are the only one that should be riding him? Is there a contract?
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    08-30-2011, 08:38 PM
  #7
Foal
I started leasing him after the incident with the riding. I was volunteering before. I pay a monthly fee and no one else rides or works with this horse. The owner can still move him around, but he should really talk to me before messing with my buddy. There is a contract.
     
    08-30-2011, 08:48 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Ok. Now because I'm not all that familiar with leasing I will just tell you my opinion.

For one this horse sounds like he has major trust issues and disrespect for humans. I would never let a horse go in a paddock and let them run from me. Very unsafe. I would take him in turn him to the gate facing out and stand with him for a few mins. Play with the halter like your going to let him go but don't until he calms down and just stands there and waits. When you do let him go, don't fuss, make noise or shoo him. Try to make sure you walk away first.

Making a horse run when they get into the paddock as soon as you let go will cause so many problems. Always make it a calm release and do your best to just walk away from him first. Maybe before you actually let him go move away from the gate and give yourself room just incase. This will take time but if you are patient he will learn that its not such a rush to get away from you. Maybe have a few treats as you calm him. Try that.
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    08-30-2011, 08:53 PM
  #9
Foal
I am not trying to make him run away. I know that is unsafe, and that is why I wanted him to stop. I have taken 20 minutes (everyday) walking around in the paddock, messing with the halter, giving him treats occasionally, etc. Right now I need to focus on the following me at liberty part but for sure, once I start haltering him again, I will do as you have suggested. You are right, I should have stuck with it for longer than I did, especially with the set backs.

Thanks.
     
    08-30-2011, 08:59 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Your welcome. I wasn't saying you didn't know that it was unsafe per say just info for those that do it. And its only my opinion. I personally won't make em run when I set them free. That's all. So I hope I didn't offend you.
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