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post #1 of 7 Old 06-30-2008, 05:44 PM Thread Starter
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Strong mare who constantly leans

I have a 5yro mare, who is very heavy in your hands. She was badly broken 18 mths ago. She is quite difficult to turn and constantly leans on your hands. Height is no object when it comes to jumping but if she decides she dosen't want to jump she snatches the bit and darts out to either side. I have had her teeth and back checked every few months, everything clear there. Have tried various bits (Fulmer, D- ring, three ring, Snaffle) riding at present with snaffle and grackle. I need to get control before somebody takes a nasty tumble. Others ride her and I fear she may cause injury to others as she is quick and strong. Any advice???
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post #2 of 7 Old 06-30-2008, 08:16 PM
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back to basics...lots and lots of groundwork. Try to rebuild her foundation. Under saddle do BASIC stuff (walk - halt transitions, serpentines, circles, walk trot and trot walk transitions) Put some buttons on her ;) You are correct in saying she is dangerous (not just with other people, but with you too!) I know it's probably tough to hear, but if you spend a solid 6 months rebuilding her foundation, you'll most certainly save an accident in the future :)

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post #3 of 7 Old 07-01-2008, 02:42 AM
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So you go back to groundwork.
Lead her around on the ground, on her left side with abridle on, right hand holding the reins at her throat and whip also in that hand for easy flicks on her chest, or put one in each hand so you don't pull on her outh accidently..
Ask her to halt using voice and the reins..when she walks into you a short sharp immediate tap with the whip on her chest..make her stop, or back up if necessary. If she's fin on the ground and doesnt walk into you then fin, that's already a start.
You wanna teach her, to be more responsive to rein, and leg, and listen to your seat. Technically you should be able to close you fingers on the reins and sit deep and they should stop..by squeezing your knees together, you restrict the horses movemnt, so you do that, when asking your horse to stop. Sit heavy in the saddle and ask.. short soft ask..
If she doesnt ask a firm hold and soften, with your whole body weight..the soften is so important though or your horse will just fight..the horse makes the downwards transition on the soften, so don't hold..
LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of transitions work. Work on getting her moving off your leg, then stopping a 1/4 of a circle later.. onc she's mastered go, stop..then move on to left right, a whole re-trainging process..
Our basics are Stop Go Left Right, when something goes wrong with them, it's what you need to work on before you can go any furthur.:)
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Gesha, the advise you've been given is right. Substituting different bits for a lack of training is the wrong way to go. Little by little you will need more and more bit as your horse learns to avoid each bit.

IMHO, and as stated above, you need to go back to basics. Stop jumping, stop cantering, go back to walk/trot until your horse is supple and compliant. If she is grabbing the bit to run or avoid then you are pulling straight back and giving her the chance to do that. Use alternating pressure on the reins so as not to give her the chance to grab it.

Being 5 years old and not well trained I would think she is not ready for the work you are giving her. So I would just take her back to basics and work more on control and respect.

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post #5 of 7 Old 07-01-2008, 12:32 PM
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Re: Strong mare who constantly leans

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I have a 5yro mare, who is very heavy in your hands. She was badly broken 18 mths ago. She is quite difficult to turn and constantly leans on your hands. Height is no object when it comes to jumping but if she decides she dosen't want to jump she snatches the bit and darts out to either side. I have had her teeth and back checked every few months, everything clear there. Have tried various bits (Fulmer, D- ring, three ring, Snaffle) riding at present with snaffle and grackle. I need to get control before somebody takes a nasty tumble. Others ride her and I fear she may cause injury to others as she is quick and strong. Any advice???
I agree you answered your own question. She wasn't broke to ride properly so start her off again. Easier to start from scratch and fill in the blanks than to try in frustration to correct what was not done properly.
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post #6 of 7 Old 07-01-2008, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks a mill!!!

All your advice has been great. Have been concentrating on just groundwork for the past few weeks so hopefully with persistence I will see some improvement
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post #7 of 7 Old 07-01-2008, 06:50 PM
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Easy steps.

You may not have to start from the ground up. Try to gage where he is comfortable at and start from there. Reward it for achieving certain things and hopefully your horse will start learning and enjoying activities.

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